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Dianabol causing aching kidney pain

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Currently week 6 of a 12 week Test E cycle 500 per week.

Was planning on doing 4 weeks of dianabol starting from 10mg up to 30mg a day.

I started day one with 10mg then day two went to 20 and day 3 went to 30mg. Had a lower back ache I put on a sore muscle on day two that has progressively got worse and eventually realised it isn’t muscle pain. I’m about 2 weeks into the Dianabol and the pain is getting to a stage it’s not bearable anymore. I went off the dianabol for two days and the pain subsided and have just gone back on it today with the pain returning worse than ever and feels like it’s crept forward to the front of my body as well as the lower back.

I’ll be stopping it for good but my question is; why is this happening? 30mg isn’t a huge dose and it started aching on 10mg anyways. Is it really my kidneys? I’ve been to a doctor and had blood tests done etc and waiting on results. Just wanted to see if anyone else has experienced this.

Cheers

CRAZY DOSER's picture

A dosage of 25-30 mg ED is a therapeutic dose this used during methandienone prescribing for patients after major surgeries, treating burns, etc. I am sure that your kidneys are fine.

Try to think how limited your joint mobility is. If you notice that you have become clumsy, stiff and your muscles are no longer as elastic (compared to the time before the cycle start), the problem likely lies in your muscle tissue condition (excessive accumulation of residual water). The muscles become denser and less elastic. Your pain is probably related to your body's inability to adapt to such new state.

Are you doing cardio (treadmill, elliptical)? Do you feel any numbness in your lower back and calves during this? Do your hands sometimes go numb in the morning after waking up?

I would also check your E2 and hematocrit levels.

Jesse2584's picture

I do very light cardio, and yes I have notice my fingers and hands going numb very easily when lying down etc, I’ve also noticed a lot less mobility and less range of movement, what would I do to counter this?

CRAZY DOSER's picture

Your kidney should be fine. As I said earlier check your E2 and hematocrit levels, so that you can control your cycle with better precision. I would also exclude DBOL for 5-7 days but leave TEST.

OlympicLats's picture

More water more water more water... Without truly knowing if it's the Dbol or not, stop taking it and see if you revert back to no pain. You did the right thing by getting a doc involved...There's plenty of useful insight shared. Kudos to all who have chimed in...I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut...

Steeltoad777's picture

Come to think of it, one of the first times I ran dbol, at the end I had back pain but I thought it was my spleen.

press1's picture

I know we can never say never, but I would be EXTREMELY surprised if such a low dose of DBol has affected your kidneys in such a short period of time. If indeed it has then there must of been a bad problem already there that was on the verge of going south just before you started it. DBol affects both the kidneys and liver in bloodwork, but in terms of the kidneys only very slightly and thats on consistent doses of 50mg/day week in week out, not the kind of doses you have been running. My eGFR will drop by 5 points while on DBol inject vs. not using it.

It is much more likely to be lower back pumps which can easily come on when you are not training, your lower back simply has to be working and a little sore from lifting and man they can become crippling just in daily routines. I can get them bending over the sink washing my face on a morning!! lol Can get them in lateral raises, benching all sorts. This is where a lot of people misunderstand the kidneys, people think they are only suffering when they are painful which is in fact untrue. Kidney function can rapidly be declining at the same time you will simply feel nothing, the only time you will is with kidney stones and things like that where they are blocked. Kidney disease can come on and the only time you will realise there is a problem is once your urine begins foaming in the toilet from protein passing through the filters into the urine etc Sometimes your urine can become pink from blood getting in there too. You will begin to feel lethargic a lot because the toxins are not being removed from the blood as efficiently. Once you are at these stages it is often then irreversible which is why I persistently make a point of saying that eGFR should always be checked in bloodwork whether our creatinine levels are higher than normal peoples or not who carry less muscle mass.

Best thing to do is simply to get bloodwork done and check the usual parameters like eGFR, protein/glucose/blood present in urine or not, creatinine level, BUN, creatine kinase. It is worth bearing in mind that Liver pain can present itself all over the stomach area and in the back, when my values were in hepatic territory I had pain in the lower intestinal area and the back - I had it nowhere near where the liver actually is or indeed to the right where the larger region is.

Jesse2584's picture

Thanks for the in depth reply mate, so if all is normal in my bloodwork I’m right to continue it and just have to power through the “back pumps” haha

press1's picture

For sure buddy, it will be quite apparent if there is a problem or not in your results. Or if it happens again maybe just try using a different oral and see what happens.

Pumped_'s picture

Dbol would kind of constipate me? Not saying that is your case but any change of bowel movement and can be intestines just giving pain back there?

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Sackbird's picture

Could just be back pumps. Either way, you should be running organ support. Are you taking anything for organ health? Top 3 for me are Tudca, astragalus extract, and a ton of water. Check out @press1’s post about liver and kidney supplements (just search “liver and kidney” and his post should be the first or second link) to check out multiple options.

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DavosD's picture

Get bloodwork done to be safe

infern0's picture

It’s either cramps or you have or developed kidney issues, wait for the results to know what’s really going on. Drink more water and stop the dbol completely.

Jesse2584's picture

Yeah it felt like cramps the first few days but can definitely tell it’s nothing like cramps now, I drink about 4 litres of water every day so got that covered haha!

And yeah won’t be taking it anymore, would love to know why I’ve reacted that way though.

infern0's picture

Some deficiencies can cause cramps like potassium and magnesium. Some orals can also give u “lower back pumps” which are pretty painful/annoying.

Jesse2584's picture

So very well could be nothing to worry about then, thanks mate

infern0's picture

Yes no need to really worry back pumps are pretty common with orals and especially with dbol , some say it’s because of water retention, your blood tests will prove if something is wrong with your kidney. You can also try supplementing with taurine if your tests are clear and plan on going back. In the meantime stop the dbol and observe if your symptoms are gone.