Deca/Gyno
Was running a deca cycle (Test C - 600mg/week, Deca - 400mg/week) and started to get some puffiness. I was running arimidex at .5mg ED and a research Caber at 1mg/week split into 2 doses. It was uncontrollable at week 7 so the caber must have not been doing its job. I ordered some pharm grade caber that took about a month and a half to get in. Just received it.
I stopped the deca right away and replaced it with EQ. I put in an order for some letrozole. I have my pill form letrozole and started taking it as soon as it came in. Its been about 2 weeks with the letro at 2.5mg ED. Not sure if its doing anything. Probably a little too early.
My question is this. I received my caber. Im currently running....
Test Cyp - 600mg/Week
EQ - 600mg/Week
Letrozole - 2.5mg/ED (Gyno reversal)
Caber - ??
If I dosed caber as recommended right now, would it have any effect on the beginning gyno symptoms I have? Or should I just save it and see if letro can do the job?
ALSO.. Really weird.. Sometimes throughout the day, my nips are flat with my chest and look totally normal.. I can flext my chest and theres no sagging or puffiness of the nipples.. And at other random times throughout the day they are a little puffy..
Has anyone had experience with this that would care to shed some light? Thanks guys..
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michailnikaiaThanks guys. Time to problem shoot = bloods.
good bro let us know and stop playing with them lol
l1ft4lifeseems like everyone has answered your questions/led you in the right direction. only thing missing is the caber. while on a 19-nor steroid which would be tren or deca you should be running caber at 0.5mg every 5 days to keep prolactin levels down preventing lactating nipples.
homones are unbalanced and fluctuating , if i were you id stop all cycling and pct it, stop the letro for now , after pct see where your at ...but as pank said bloods are key. once your system has settled you should get a better idea of what the go is this is why you should fully understand what your putting in yourself..... are they lumps or just puffy? lactating?
michailnikaiaNo lactating. Ive squeezed the shit out of them to try and see if that is a side effect, but I havent at all.
They dont really "puff", its more of a saggy nipple when it comes. I just got out of the shower and both nipples look fine. Its really random.
If I squeeze my nipple, I feel something directly underneath my nipple like its part of my nipple. On both nipples. Those have been there since I was a kid though. Im not sure if its gyno lumps Im feeling.
alright bro stop playing with them and please dont squeeze them, it will aggravate them, it can be in the mind too if your constantly stressing about it , do you get pain? i tell you ihad bad gyno lumps that i erradicated and they were real pain and lumps.
michailnikaiaNever any pain. There is no sign other than what I see. Its a visual sign. I wish one of you guys could squeeze them and identify the problem.
ill pass on that .... unless your buying me tea lol, what are you doing rite now? still on cycle ? still letro?
BuckyDentureGyno isnt going to come and go throughout the day . It sounds like you are not watching your salt and with the deca are/ were retaining some water.
michailnikaiaYour right, I dont watch my salt. I figure if I just slam enough water I should be fine. To be honest with you, it actually looks like water sometimes. When I squeeze/feel them when they sag a little, it just feels like nothing in there. Weird?
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michailnikaia 2 hours ago NEW
That cycle looks perfectly designed. Doses look right for you and your ancillaries are on point. Have you ever kick started with short esters before at the beginning of a cycle?
Ive kickstarted with Prop for the first 4 weeks. Never have used NPP ever before. I dont think youll need to kickstart with the NPP being that you have the DBOL in there and your contemplating short esters to kickstart. I dont see a problem with PROP to kickstart. You might not need that NPP though. That looks like a massive MASS gain stack as is.
My two cents, ditch the NPP. Kickstart with prop if you dont mind the jabs every day or eod. I would just let the DBOL ride its course as a kickstart.
What are your thoughts?
With your clear lack of knowledge if i ever see you putting out on ANY of our cycle threads again i will BAN you onsight.
michailnikaiaWas something I said in there wrong? Was something wrong with the advice I gave him? Im lost. Instead of attacking me for "lack of knowledge", why dont you fill me in on what I said that was wrong because now I'm very confused? You guys really do attack on here. I was warned by a couple buddies not to post on here.
BuckyDentureBefore he gets here and for sure does ban you after your last post I will explain for you.
This thread you created right here shows that you , your self are very new to this , and as a result not really in a position to give advice. They dont want advice coming from guys until they have a solid knowledge base.
Good luck
michailnikaiaNew to this because I just created an account and have no karma?
BuckyDentureno I dont mean no karma , I mean new to the world of AAS usage. Evident by this thread, because its kind of basic stuff you are struggling with . But thats fine everyone needs to learn right, and you are allowed and encouraged to do that here ? I will tell you, this can be a great place to learn. Seriously I'd edit your post below or get an apology lined up. I understand your frustration but you are fighting a losing battle and in the end you will loose the priveledge to learn and participate in this community.
michailnikaiaI struggled finding a pharm grade caber source. And I was told by another source that the caber I was using was fine. Clearly it was bunk. It has nothing to do with knowledge. Im still confused why I'm being attacked.
What about the laid out cycle above was wrong or what should I have done differently?
What knowledge am I lacking on this subject?
BuckyDentureI already explained to you, but one last time. Im not going to argue with you on this. I dont want confrontation from anyone and I strongly advise you not confront a mod.
It absolutely does have to do with knowledge . The mods dont want to see you or anyone giving cycle advice to others until they have proven they have a good understanding of AAS theory and application. Whether you had bunk caber or not, your thread here indicates you still have a lot to learn . Its not an insult and you shouldnt take it that way , it just means you arent ready to guide others.
As far as why I or others think you might still be learning is that 1st of all you have decided to treat gyno and yet you arent even sure you have it, you are convinced you have bunk caber but did not get a blood test, you switched mid cycle from deca to EQ and they are entirely different compounds, that switch makes no sense to me.
michailnikaiaThat makes more sense explained that way. How do I build karma on here?
BuckyDentureLets not get too far off track here in to karma, but posting blood work and self progress pics are probably the two best things you can do.
Lets first decide if you have a gyno issue caused by prolactin. Gyno would give you puffy nipples and some tenderness, also gyno from prolacting would probably leave you lactating if you squeezed the nipple. As I said in the beginning I think you were having a water retention issue not gyno. Best thing you could do is get your estro and prolactin tested, then return to cycle as planned or just run test alone till then and with the results of the blood work you can easilly take corrective action. Also you could try getting some water pills from the pharmacy, a good diuretic will help you drop some water and the results are quick so you'll see right away if its helping.
michailnikaiaRoger. I dont have tenderness that I know of. I can literally squeeze the shit out of my nipple and no lactating or actual pain. Its not tender to the touch. I know I've been slacking on the water (trying to get down all the calories). Hard to get in all my meals and the water. Setting up bloods for this week. Thats a damn good response man. Very informative. You answered my question which is why I started this thread.
michailnikaiaYour gonna ban me on sight.
Bro - make it stop!
What state are you in?
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Do it right go get lab tests. Estrogen and prolactin levels at a bare minimum. Otherwise the rest is pure spit balling here. I would run TSH & FSH levels as it is related.
how old are you?
what's your body fat %?
what is your cycle history?
michailnikaia25
11%. Real veiny everywhere.
Ran a couple test only cycles with ai the past couple years. Time on=Time off
Experiemented kickstarting with dbol and anadrol (not taken together) with the test only cycles.
I ran a long test and eq cycle. Took some time off. Came back with the test and deca cycle. 7 weeks later BOOM. Wtf is wrong with my nips?
Well for starters you should have been just starting your first cycle. your underdeveloped HPTA as well as the rest of your body is starting to rebel. I would highly recommend you get blood work done as soon as possible. You can do that with private labs fairly quickly. You need to figure out what's going on with your body without guessing what's going on with your body.
This is probably not what you want to hear but really is the best advice.