posted Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:58
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Deca question
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I am 28 years old and have ran about 10 cycles in the past including all types of test, tren, masteron, and equipoise. I am 5"6 195 at the. Moment and my body fat is 10 percent. My previous cycle consisted of 14 weeks, of test prop test e var tren and mast. Not all were ran
The while time. I compete and This is my offseason bulk cycle. I want to run a cycle including deca as I have never ran it before. I want to gain a lot a size off of this cycle and need it for its healig properties as well. I am worried about running deca because I am
Gyno prone. Any suggestions would be great thank guys!
I was thinking of doing:
1-10 375mg deca
1-12 650 test c
.5mg Adex eod
Pct weeks 14-16
150/100/50/50 clomid
40/40/40/20 nolva
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tread-mA lot of great advice below but my question would be for starters, explain what you mean by "gyno prone". In detail when you get back. I ask given the term is overused. I never like to under estimate it and am a firm believer in the AI and caber protocols but actual gyno is much more rare than is spread. Sore nips are used constantly in the "gyno" reference for example and if that and even a little puffy is present thats not gyno.. yes, those are things you would see before actual gyno but not an indicator on its own at all. Its like calling all moles cancer when only a fraction of a fraction will ever be cancer. Safe is the rule but I'd still like to know your own personal reasons specifically for using the term "gyno".
I have a lump under my left nipple that I got from my first cycle when I received bunk arimidex. My next cycle I waited until my nipples were sore and then I started the Adex and that took care Of it. So thats why i said im "Gyno prone." ever since I have started the Adex two weeks prior to my cycle.
tread-mOk so not that this will help you but maybe you should try it. I have been of the mind that adex is inferior to aromasin. I had those thoughts and debates with others given I thought adex allowed some immune type tolerance over time and may become less effective and either need more or more frequent etc. Aromasin on the other hand seems just the opposite. So the convo came up with a buddy here that used to be a MOD but no longer around, anyway, he had cycled for years and gyno prone. Finally got to where even with all the high level adex use he could not run dbol or within days his gyno flaired. So he finally made the switch to aromasin and realized quickly through signs the gyno issues had disappeared entirely. Next run he popped some dbol in the mix to test the waters and no gyno for the whole dbol run even declining the aromasin intake to half dose eod. Anyway, worth a try here and if you see your responces are similar then maybe you have more confidence in the compounds you have stayed away from.
tread-mDP
PCT starts week 15 and should run through week 18...
cdaddy7If u are gyno prone drop the deck bc there are other good quality alternatives and you don't have to put urself in gyno situation. My theory is dont start nothing, won't b nothing.
Personally I would suggest to run the deca test protocol at a 2 to 1 ratio. I would go with either 350 mgs deca/700 mgs test Cyp or 300 mgs Deca/600 mgs test cyp depending what you would like to do. I have had great results with deca as low as 200 mgs shot once a week but the one time that I ran my ratio off of 2 to 1 it totally fucked up my body, no sex drive and sides started to sprout out of nowhere. I also personally never run nolva over 20 mgs ED due to it making me too tired and I had read a scientific journal study done that showed it completely useless to run nolva over 20 mgs a day. Whether this is true or not or whether people use more or less everyone has their opinion and that is all this is. I also can't take clomid AT ALL. It makes me bat shit lupe fucken nuts insane crazy suicidal quite literally. I will never touch clomid with a ten foot pole ever again lol. Other than the 2 to one ratio thing I think your cycle looks great. Aren't you suppose to run adex ED though? This is a thought/question because I do not have much experience at all with adex so get further advise on that before going to ED I just thought you were supposed to for the half life and blood levels and such.
Adex is something IMO that should be taken with every cycle even a very low dose. 1st it takes unwanted side affect like water ret. and gyno. 2nd it puts a good balance between test and estrogen that make the test more abundant in your body. Nolvadex will stop estrogen 100%. You don't want that because some estrogen is good. Nolvadex should only be taken as pct not as a compound used while on a cycle.
Deca cannot cause gyno, it's a progestin. If you were going to get gyno it would be from the aromatization of test to estrogen so the AI will cover that.
Caber, take it if you like 0.25mg twice weekly but if you keep a good ratio of T > E you shouldn't have any problems anyway.
You might want to consider hCG through the cycle (1000iu p/w) this will keep the testes functioning and make recovery post cycle easier because you won't have allowed the testicular part of the AXIS to shutdown.
You don't need 150mg of clomid and you don't need 40mg of nolva.
PS: test cyp has a biological falf life of around 6-9 days and an MRT (mean residence time) of 14-16 days from a 200mg IM glute shot, given that you will 650mg e/w the androgens will not have cleared your system before you start PCT, it will be nearer 4wks, i advise you wait longer or bridge to PCT using test prop.
zewithey way you are explaining it is true..If you take Deca by itself(which no one should)
however, taking Deca with test is what cause gyno it is not the test. Deca is at fault see deca will break test into more estrogen at times.
Example----
thats why you see people run a cycle just fine with test @ 500mg a week for 12 weeks and no gyno.
So the next cycle they go with deca and test and get gyno. Well Deca breaks test down to more estrogen faster that is the down fall of Deca..
Good try.. But how do you like them apples from Uncle Zewi.
He sounded like a brain with big words but I think he is just a parrot. You are absolutely right.Don't try pullin one over on Uncle Zewi. LOL
zewiLOL.. i try brother.
Sorry to disagree bro but deca is the only compound on earth that can bring about gyno issues with me... i can run any other compound at any dose you may wish to mention but these days deca even at the unbelievably low dose of 250mg wk will bring on gyno on the left nipple within 2/3 weeks from first pin... maybe just me but there you go.
ouch! that sucks. Had a buddy that had same problem. He loved deca so much he had his glands removed from his nipples. He doesn't compete,just did it. Personally I think he is an idiot and I have said to him many times.
DEF add caber or prami
If you are not pin shy you may even consider replacing Deca with NPP for entire cycle that way you can make adjustments if/when necessary
...and like the boys said, adjust your PCT
I like that idea. How much caber would you suggest. .25 Ed?
tread-mBOOM!
tread-mBOOM!
For even better results extend the cycle to 16 weeks add a prop and NPP ed kicker for first four weeks then use the same to taper for a crisp ending.
zewiX2.. also fix your PCT you don't need clomid at 150 just 100/100/50/50
Will fix pct 100/100/50/50 with the clomid and keep nolva same for and change to weeks 15-18
X2 i missed that not being a PCT user lol
CleyonDid you mean to leave out HCG in your PCT? I don't know enough about Deca to answer that specific question, and I'm not sure how you're going to get 650mg of Tesp Cyp a week (it usually comes in 200 or 250mg/ml so that's an interesting amount to me).
Leave the hcg but I have to ask, your post says you don't know how to get 650mg/w?
StevebThe only sides I get from Deca is a lower sex drive. Get some Horny Goat Weed to help that out during cycle.
MultipurposeYou've run tren before and it's in the 19nor family same as deca. Just make sure you take preventative steps such as ai and caber. I see you have adex posted as part of your cycle so just add caber at .5 mg every 3-4 days to prevent prolactin buildup.