posted Wed, 10/03/2012 - 17:58
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Dbol/ tren ace/ test cycle
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I just read that it was not a good idea to run a short estered tren with dbol? Is there any logic behind that and why?
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Honestly when i lived in central america i did the kiss method cuz i could only get my hands on test/sust/primo...then i met you guys here and have me all cycled out.
And if i might add and i know it could be controversial, last time I did tren i ran my test a littler higher than the tren..What you think about having higher tren?
cdaddy7You need to understand that test and Tren will fight for the same receptor and Tren will always win out....so guess what happens to all that free test floating around?....Estro conversion is the correct answer so thats why we recommend running a low dose test underneath....it helps with shut down and limp noodle .....and also running test high with Tren has proven to increase the intensity of sides so low dose test is the way to go in my opinion
I have never actually read any studies on this just bro knowledge, have you read anything that says for sure tren will win to the receptor and that they compete? I have told people this before but normally ill say its my understanding or ive read it, but if you know for sure id like to read it.
Tren has a much much higher binding affinity to the AR than test. Yes it will always win the race! More test will just create more free flowing estro hence more sides. This is something for the "ADVANCED" section. I'll find you proof
I looked for studies on this as well. Came up pretty empty. However from my experience, running low test with high tren blew cawk I much prefer a moderate dose of test at least, and anywhere between 350-700mg tren a week. Gonna be very hard to find legit studies on this one, and that's where bro science is helpful. However, not everyone responds the same, myself and my friend are case in point. Run low test high tren, feel like shit, libido sucks after a few weeks even with anti pros, it really doesn't make much difference. Anytime I run test close to or higher than tren I'm fine. Insomnia is always present to an extent, with or without low test, as long as the tren isn't shit. Anyway, here is one of the more intelligent discussions I've found on the issue, followed by a very long study talking about a lot of things aas that we don't often see, specifically androgen receptor activity and a few other cool things.
http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/more-than-one-compound-1343...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2439524/
Most people are like you. They feel shitty from higher tren doses than test. But in all the cases with people I have spoken to who ran it, they didn't deny that the sides (mostly sexual) existed, just that they were willing to deal with it for the results. Another factor is they only blast it a few weeks at a time. It's not like anyone is cycling tren for 12 weeks at a higher dose than test.
Once I broke week 6 is when it hit me. But I was prepping for a contest do I didn't care, but it kept getting worse and worse. That's why my max tren run would be 6 weeks from now on.
Usually 4 weeks for me. I like Ed injects so at 75mg/day it's a fairly high dose. But I'm an odd ball. As Long as I use prop at 50mg/day, I dont have much trouble
cdaddy7Excellent postings...this goes to show that everyone is different when it comes to Tren, but the binding affinity is true on the AR....I do better with low dose test and others high....this is another reason that It's important to know ur body and how to tweak the compounds specifically to your "sweet spot"..
from what ive read on other forums, it seems that its just from peoples experiences that they got better results with less sides when they ran tren higher than test
Thats what ive been hearing too n would like to try next time out.
----^----- this!
I'm surprised you said it but this is 100% accurate!
well one is a cutting compound, the other is a bulker. both cause high blood pressure.
Umm, tren is pretty versatile and can be used to do either. Not that I condone the use of tren, but that's misinformation right there. And they do both tend to cause high BP
gotcha. i know tren goes both ways but a short ester is used as a cutter a lot of the time.
Stats? Cycle experiences? Goals?
Also interested cuz I just hopped on 50mg dbols, and taking 500mg test, have some anavar handy, and was thinking of tren a instead of e. Ive cycled for 10yrs. Only done one tren cycle without any issues. Im five nine 190, 32 yrs old, just want to get ripped up strong/ look like brickhouse but at five nine.
AnonAre you running any type of AI with your test???? And what about PCT?????Blood Work???
youve cycled for 10 years and your 190lbs?? somethings not right...
and excuse me...now lookin at the pics of yourself I can't believe your the one to tell me something doesn't sound right. Your biceps..and i really mean this with no offense--i had those when i was in jr high school. I have been on a terrible run getting high this last year and still maintained bigger biceps than yours with barley any training. I kind of take offense when someone of your physique will question why I only weight five more pounds than yourself when your an inch shorter than me. You should be asking yourself that question not me.
i always run tren higher i get really bad sides when test is moderate to high.. like everone already stated they fight for same recptors. i want more of my gains from the tren the test is just for libido and it works just fine for me.. you just gotta find whats best for you just take it slow.
you obviously dont know anything about me, ive only done 3 cycles, ONE successful one which was very recent and im 24, only been training for 3 years and i gained about 60lbs since i started (started at 125lbs), i dont see your point
By you saying to me "something is not right" coming from you, who has no experience what so ever--I don't mean to laugh n I'm glad your working out and gaining weight but at 125 5'8", yay, gained 60lbs, and now your going to tell me something isn't right with me cuz I am at 190lbs. I thought I was defending myself against somebody who had an idea about AAS and actually backed it up...but.. it came from you. If you don't see my point or either way doesn't even matter. Go work out-- This talk all ends here for me. Good luck
my point was that i have 7 years less experience than you and i'm the same size as you, that's where i thought somethings not right, and "defending yourself" i told you earlier i wasn't out to get you, i was just wondering how with all your experience your not any bigger than me, in 7 years from now if i keep up the way i am i'll be fucking huge which i thought you should be by now, but you also said you don't want to get huge so what the hell are you getting so insulted for
ha you are not the same size as me..nor body look nothing like mine no offense but look at my body pic n then look at yours how can you say that?
lol bro this is a stupid fight, i apologize if i insulted u i was simply asking u questions, like u said im still new to this, and we have different goals so the argument is not valid
Bro im not arguing with you neither in a negative way just talking like a couple of friends so im glad we have respect there.....funny my post went awol.
smallguyLets not argue gents. We can only offer advice. We arent here to bash.
That's not accurate! I cycled for 8 years and remained between 175-190lbs! My cycles were short, cutters w/orals to serve one purpose. They were to increase strength, aggression and training intensity! I was NOT A BODYBUILDER! I was a fighter. So only bodybuilders can use AAS?
sorry i was coming from a bodybuilder perspective, i forget that not everyones into that
No need to be sorry. Everyone who uses AAS isn't a bodybuilder. I am totally new at bodybuilding but have been running cycles for years. Now my goals are different but the objective in the past was never to gain weight. The majority of ppl who use AAS are bodybuilders but there are thousands of atheletes who use them as PED's. I know for a fact that there are fighters on this sight. Maybe other atheletes. So everyone's objective won't be the same
Please enlighten me
what were your gains like on your past cycles? if u were dieting right youd be alot heavier, not trying to put u down bro, it just doesnt seem to make sense
Okay since u put it nicely. Im on house arrest n havnt seen a gym in four years so i work out in my place. I have a pull up bar and two 40lb dumbbells. If I had anyweight to push there is my weight. But the pic is me, im in great shape, mix up the weights with boxing routines.
you should get some heavier weights, especially with a heavy cycle like your doing/planning, i mean 40 lb dumbells and pullup bar can keep u 'in shape' but your seriously limiting your gains
I was just on craigslist also theres no fckn space here for that. I just need something for legs but really dont wanna get big bulky niether but want to be able to swing the hands without being tight. Just trying to be as much of a beast as possible with what i got brotha.
Bro if getting big n bulky isn't for u then why the heck are u using AAS? You can get faster, leaner, more ripped without AAS. Sounds like u need P90X or somethin not AAS
When I mean big n bulky I think of puffed out w/ no definition. I want to have a neck, be able to walk normal, be able to be as athletic as I always been, be able to have fast hands that I see a lot of bodybuilders do not have. Im not in it to be a bodybuilder, im in it to get as strong as possible, as cut as possible, and to be athletically inclined as possible and to look great...Not to just lift things up and put them down...or be in a contest. Im not sure if you get what I mean but I like AAS and the advantage it gives me.
Don't worry bud, he's messin with ya, it's been made clear time and time again that eroids IS NOT a bodybuilding site.
Of course I get it bro I was just fucking with ya
I had read it as somebody was saying in general that it wasnt a good idea just wondering for personal knowledge why tren a would not be good but tren e would be thats all.