+ 1 Dbol, Test E & Deca
Been lurking here for a while but this is my first post, so after 2 basic test cycles in the past, one of andropen 275 and the other of sust and anadrol, I'm going to try some different compounds. My last cycle was just over a year ago and I've lost some of the gains I made. The cycle I'm looking at this time is....
1-5 Dbol 30mg/day Test E 500mg/week Deca 500mg/week
5-10 Test E & Deca 500 each/week
AI is Arimidex starting at 0.5 EOD and adjusting if needed
PCT of Nolva 40/40/20/20
Having never used Dbol before (or any orals for that matter) I'm wary of sides, mostly Gyno. Any advice or changes you guys would make to this stack?
Also I've got pain up the outside of my left shoulder and upper arm (delt/tri/joint area) mainly when benching and have been told Deca can aid in injury repair/management, is there any merit to that? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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up the test if keeping deca at 500mg. (750mg-875mg) or decrease nandrolone to 350-400 if keeping test lower. get some caber to keep on hand if prolactin sides act up. i prefer aromasin over adex, much better ai imo. get aromasin, run it through pct aswell. strengthen up your pct. i prefer toremifene (hg optimally) and clomid, and kickstart your pct with 1x 100mcg shot of triptorelin (gnrh) (this exact pct brought me back to test levels of 700 ng/dl within 4 weeks post pct after a 20 week cycle with nandrolone in the beginning and tren at the end. (hard shutdown cycle and no post cycle dip, no erection issues, no gyno no depression ect.) get some hcg, will help immensely if planning on pcting 250iu 2x/week 500iu eod last week or so leading up to pct drop it out a few days before the gnrh shot. just my .02
Wait hold on...
And then you go on to say...
That doesn't add up.
Sorry the anadrol was liquid and only ran it for a few weeks as it was left over from a friend. It wasn't real clever. I meant ran strong orals properly.
Oh that makes sense. I've always hated liquid orals, just because of the dosage problems.
Back to building your cycle, are you set on deca?
Not set, no. Just thought it would be a worthy addition. I'd be just as happy going with the basic Dbol & Test E. Probably smarter for me, cos of my experience level.
So I see you've never done a single water only cycle.
Consider a test enth/cyp cycle, say 500mg/wk.
Add in a Propionate kicker and taper.
Consider proviron as a very mild oral which amplifies the effects of testosterone.
Laslty, and I'm not sure on this, but consider 4-6 weeks of turinabol. The gains off turinabol are very lean and easy to keep, not to mention its a very mild oral.
I'm sure you can build a fantastic cycle out of a few counpounds, and save the deca for latter cycle.
RustyhookerThorough ^^^^^^ +2.
HA I just saw this
I meant ester
Thanks rusty!
RustyhookerMy phone auto corrects so half the time I spend editing crazy wordings. Lol
^^ this
Tbol is a great oral if properly ran and like said above, your gains will be a lot drier and better quality. (and when I say better quality i just mean easier to maintain post cycle.)
Yeah I think I'm best off keeping it as simple as I can. I have actually looked at Tbol as an option and haven't ruled it out. I only leaned more towards dbol cos of so many people saying it's far more bang for buck. Thanks for the advice and taking an interest.
Dbol will definitely yeild more total weight gain, but it's very wet mass, and most of it goes away after pct. Also personally im somewhat gyno prone, so I keep my distance from it.
Your main orals are pretty much :
Anavar
Anadrol
Dianabol
Turinabol
I still think you should definetly look into proviron, it's really making a huge difference for me in cycle right now.
PCT needs attention, no DA for prolactin, test:deca ratio and length of cycle time needs attention....for your shoulder pain u could try using a 2.5lbs weight and exercising the supraspinatus tendon...maybe get a TENS unit..
What changes would you recommend or add to the cycle? Especially on the dosage and length side of things?
Test for 15wks and deca for 13wks and dbol kick 25mg in am and pm for 4 wks...see other info posted in thread...
Cool, thanks heaps
Also...look into clomid for PCT and proviron...and monitor for E2 sides and adjust AI accordingly thru bloodwork
GearofWarYes Deca can aid in injury masking. Not sure about recovery because the Deca is masking a problem, not treating it. And if bit careful can make things worse when you discontinue the use of it. No AAS can "fix/heal" an injury. Just relieve symptoms and mask the underlying trouble. Or worsen it because your connective tissues and bursa can't keep up with the increased strength and weight being pushed from accelerated muscle tissue growth. Be careful.
6'0"
224lb
What's your bodyfat like?
Don't you think it's a bit much for only your third cycle? I'm currently on my 4th and still doing basic test cycles.
What are your goals for this cycle?
I'm 6"2, 230lb and around 16-17%bf ATM. That's why I've kept the doses at the lower end, cod im not as experienced as most guys with AAS. I've read that deca gains are more lasting because it acts slower and should be stacked with test at equal or higher dose and the dbol is obviously there for the quick kickstart. I don't want to be super lean or bulky, just kind of in the middle. I've responded fairly well to the previous cycles and kept most of the benefits. This seems like a good moderate step up.
Update the stats in your profile bro!
I've always been weary of 19-Nors in non trt guys, just because of the sheer suppressive nature of it.
Consider dropping to sub 15% for the cycle, it'll make the AAS more efficient, meaning a smaller dose will do more. I'm purely a strength athlete for example, but I still cycle sub 15%.
Laslty, there are a lot of counpounds that make nice lasting gains, like turinabol.
X2...on lowr doses...for test and deca...like 100mg/wk for deca..... and 250mg/wk max dose for test in divided bi-weekly doses of 125mg.
Thanks bro. I knew my bf was a bit high but it's on it's way down anyway. Not gonna cycle right away, just looking for advice in advance. I'll take any advice on board first.
is good to hear that your open!
First off pct.
We always use Clomid at 100/100/50/50
And nolva at 40/40/20/20. Using the two gives you a better chance at recovery.
Now, let's get to the main part, what coumpounds did you have in mind for this cycle? How long were you planning to cycle? All these dictate the ancillaries you'll need.