posted Fri, 09/20/2013 - 09:39
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Dbol Kick Start Dosing?
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Ok so this question and cycle info is for my dude ScottyG (a member here, but too lazy to post this himself lol). This is going to be his first cycle and he has a solid base already. He is 6'6" 215 lbs and pretty low bf%. He is new to the game so I'm trying to show him the ropes. He wants to kick start his Test cycle with Dbol... Here's what he's going to run:
1-10 Test E 500 mg PW
1-PCT Aromasin 8.33 mg ED
1-4 Dbol ?? mg ED
What do you guys think for the dbol dosage? He is a big dude if that needs to be factored into dosage. I was thinking maybe 40 to 50 mg split into 2 doses ED. Does everyone agree with half daily dose in the morning and the other dose 1 hour preworkout? Thanks for you help guys!
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So... what have we learnt here darren!
Are we going 40mg or 50mg and whats the plan with aro at the end of the day EOD or ED......... Are you sticking with the 10wk run or utilising the long ester better by going 12wks ???????
Darron614This isn't my cycle just to clarify.
I think 40 mg is solid. I personally feel that aromasin should always be ED so that was never in question. My first cycle was 12 weeks, so I'll probably give him an extra vial to extend his cycle to 12.
Spot on... tell him to eat well, train hard and that run will give shit hot results
Darron614Haha thanks bro! I'm pretty excited about it. He will still be in his cycle when I start my Test Prop and Var cycle, so we're gonna go hard.
Dont forget the pair of you run liv52 and milk thistle whilst on and for 4wks after them orals bro...... dont stay on it after it turns into estrogen ok.
loggin off now hit me up if you need more ok.
Darron614Thank you very much sir I appreciate your guidance!
Darron614Ok so 40 mg's it is then... Technically it's not his first cycle, just his first real cycle. He knows how he reacts to dbol already.
Has he ran a full 12 week Test Only cycle?
Darron614No which is why I said his first real cycle. I understand the concepts guys, my first cycle was 12 weeks Test only. He has already used dbol in the past and he wants to again so that is what's happening.
Tell him Check this post by Hwood also.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/a-safe-and-effective-pa...
Tell him to read Pank's post here.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/one-compound-at-a-time
1 at a time.......
NO orals on first cycle...dbol is prone to give major gyno..he doesnt even know how test will react in his body.
1 compound at a time take it easy.
Darron614He already knows how his body reacts to dbol. So really he is only adding one compound.
Im curious to know what his body fat % is because if he's 6'6" @ 215# then feed that boy a samich lol a lot of sandwiches. If his blood pressure is good and pre bloods look good then he could probably get away with a dirty bulk eating anything and everything that's not. nailed down.
Darron614His username is scottyg. Look at him he is diesel.
Edit: here he is http://www.eroids.com/pics/arnold
I'll get him on the scale today to be sure about his weight.
Do your friend a real favor and tell him to use test only on his first cycle. Explain to him he will that he will see really nice gains from this. Rule of thumb is to introduce 1 compound at a time. This way if a problem should arise then he will know what has caused it. If he starts out with multiple compounds then he won't know which is giving him the problems. Plus if he starts out with test only he will learn how to use his AI properly. I also think that he should start his AI on about week 3 and start out lower than that like 3.125mgs ed or 6.25 eod. Start low and work up this way he doesn't crash his estrogen.
Darron614I agree with you on the one compound at a time to learn how your body reacts, but being that the Test takes 4 weeks to really kick in it's almost like you are running the dbol alone at first. Don't really agree with EOD dosing for aromasin though, half life isn't long enough.
I agree it is like running the dbol alone the first 4 weeks but it's so fast acting that he may end up chasing his tail on the AI and run into more problems by crashing his estrogen. The first cycle should be slow and steady. Aromasin does have a short half life but some (like myself) prefer to run it eod. For me there's not enough fluctuation for it to matter but this is also why I stated the ed dosage too. It's important to start slow because he will learn how to listen to his body and how to dose his AI properly. It takes a few days to be able to tell if you're dosing correctly. This is what I mean by chasing his tail. Newbies tend to jump the gun because of uncertainty and have less patience. Next thing you know you've crashed your estrogen which is worse than subsiding your sides slowly.
27 hours is a long half-life for exemestane....
Darron614Yeah if you like your estrogen levels to go up and down like a roller coaster... By the time you take your dose 2 days later about 70% would be out of your system. Not stable at all.
Weeks 1-4 D-bol at 40-50mg (most likely 50mg 'cause he's a bigger boy) a day spread at 10mg doses every few hours. Seems like you've done your research on its half life, but just in case: 1 AM, 1 PM if 25mg or 50 mg tablet split in half.
Awesome to have the Aromasin too. Great for when bloating/fat gains become too much and eliminate the need to get paranoid about gyno.
Classic first cycle.
Darron614Thanks for the input bro! I gotcha your first karma point too haha.
Haha appreciate it, man. Have to get you back when I hit 50 lol.