Cycle Critique Request!
Hi All,
I would appreciate any professional/experienced input on my second cycle, described below. My main concern surrounds the PCT effectiveness given the substances of the cycle and any general insight regarding the cycle itself or the mixes I’ve chosen. I designed the cycle based on community/source research, pre-designed stacks and my previous cycle experience.
**New here, any important information I'm missing in the post in order to make a proper assessment, let me know in the comments and I'll update accordingly - Cheers
Male
Age: 29
Height; 5'8
Weight:165lb (cut 15-20lbs over the last 8 weeks)
BF: 10% estimated
Lifting experience: 15 years, last 2 years power/oly
Main Questions:
1. Does the absence of Nolva (Tamoxifen) from the PCT stack (due to the usage of Nandrolone Decanoate during the cycle and the adverse effect of mixing the two on/off cycle) pose any unforeseen problems? Should I add something else as a substitute?
2. Is the HCG overkill ortherwize unnecessary on week 7?
3. Any glaring issues with the chosen mixes not playing well together or with the PCT?
4. Am I missing anything? Could this be improved or tuned?
4. General feedback/opinions/insight/constructive criticism welcomed!
Cycle:
Weeks 1-10: 600mg Test Enanth (300mg twice per week)
Weeks 1-10: 300mg Decanoate (150mg twice per week)
Weeks 1-6: 40mg Dbol (daily)
Week 7: 1,500 iu HCG (500 iu every other day)
Weeks 1-10: .5mg Anastrozole daily
PCT:
Weeks 12-15: 100mg Clomiphene daily
Weeks 11-15: 1mg Anastrozole daily
Week 12: 4,500 iu HCG (1,500 iu every other day)
Week 13: 3,000 iu HCG (1,000 iu every other day)
Week 14: 1,500 iu HCG (500 iu every other day)
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165lbs sir you should go to the kitchen every day and eat as fucking much as possible with high protein. Come back and talk when you are weighing over 200lbs. Thank you sir. Have a good day sir! Alrighty then!
Enjoy your troll status bumpkin.
I would buy the anastrazole but use when needed you will soon work out how much and who often is needed, especially if strength is the goal.
Why not run your hcg @ week 4 0f your cycle 2x500iu or 2 cc in think you will hold more mass if you are finishd with your cycle and its save a lots of trouble for the balls and the naturel test lvls for recovering your rebound will not be so hard normaly 6 weeks of deca ia enough im not recommending anything its just an advise bro
Way way too much adex and duration way too long.
The only issue/ interraction nolvadex has with nandrolone is that nolva actually acts as estrogen in very early usage, it affects and aggravates receptors that nandrolone already interracted with so some users get worser sides.
Easy way to avoid- run your test for two weeks longer than your deca- obviously wait the two weeks after your last pin of test and start p.c.t- thats already 4 weeks cessation of deca, almost enough but to be safe- deca users should set the protocol up as listed below.
This is an example and not the dosage for your particular cycle-
Clomid- 100-50-50-50
Nolva- 0-20-40-40-40-40
Aromasin- 12.5.
So no nolva in first week.
Aromasin in that first week nolva is missing.
Clomid at 100 that week nolva is missing.
And nolva started lower dose when it is added plus its ran an extra week than clomid.
This method avoids any negative interraction between the two.
Imo scrap your cycle all together.
You are a twig.
Soz
What was your first cycle test only?
What where your gains?
Did you learn something running the first cycle about how your body reacts and how diet effects gains?
I want to help hit me up but this cycle isn't it
My first cycle was 12 weeks, test c and dbol only, 500mg and 40mg respectively, while running Anastrozole throughout the cycle and PCT.
I had virtually no negative side effects, acne, gyno, hair loss etc. other than considerable PIP which I attribute to the product manufacturer. I was very cautious to monitor my body's reactions as I'm sure most people are on their first run.
During the first cycle I admittedly did not have my nutrition in full order, I ate very dirty and did not track nutrient intake which is something I'm ensuring to correct prior to my second cycle now that I have more experience both nutritionally and with one under the belt. That said I experienced positive gains of around 20 lbs (est) over the 12 week period.
I will say that what everyone is saying about waiting needs to happen you will be wasting gear and money.
First work on your diet atleast 3 months solid meal prep and keeping the regimen then even before that make sure that your training is on point.
Then research all compounds and know them inside and out.
Then shoot me an fr and along the way you have questions I will help.
It will be 6 months to probably closer to a year before your ready.
If you're willing to take advice which in this post it seems like you are im willing to give it and help you.
My only thing is no gear until you really have everything in line and have gotten those natty gains in then your cycle will truly be worth it.
I've been running gear around 15 yrs off and on i still research my next cycle atleast 6 months ahead of running it to make sure that I have everything in place.
Hit me up anytime
Much appreciated, definitely taking this into account.
Thats extreemly friendly from you men can i hit you up with a fr ?? for when have a question about cycling & products ??
Of course brother im here to help anyone that will take advice.
I just can't help those that wont take advice if you're willing im here to help hit me up anytime
Thx bro i apreciate FR sent !
water gains maybe!
I agree with the rest, get some nice natty gains in place first. A target weight of 200, moderately lean sounds like a good starting point.
Please don't run deca your second cycle. Please. If you're hell bent on androgens just do test and dbol but I really think you don't need it. What's your ultimate goal? What are you trying to accomplish? If you're getting more into powerlifting now is this to prep for a meet?
Hey thanks for the knowledge and input about the actual cycle, instead of the simple "gain more weight first" reply. It is very much appreciated as I want to be as informed and prepared as possible before moving forward on the second cycle.
I do plan to put on more weight naturally prior to beginning the cycle, estimating 2 months +- before I kick it off pending progress, state of my nutrition/training etc.
As I've never run deca before, why the adamant objection to it? Would you recommend Tren as a substitute or is that moving further in the wrong direction? Or should stick entirely to Test and Dbol as I ran with my first cycle?
If the Deca is removed, I can add Nova to the PCT, do you see any issues with the PCT cycle I posted or the HCG mid cycle?
I'm not prepping for a meet currently, the goals are to add size and strength for personal reasons only.
Ok so first of all because of the decanoate ester it is going to be in your system for weeks before you see effects, so if you react badly you'll be dealing with those sides (limp dick, terrible acne, blood pressure) for anywhere from 4-8 weeks after you stop taking it. Npp is the same drug with a half life of a few days so it's out of your system in about one week. If I were going to try nandrolone I'd start with npp so I could hop off quick if problems arose.
Secondly, nandrolone is serious stuff. It's shown to permanently shut down some guys and believed to alter gene expression that regulates FSH which is what makes sperm and keeps our balls running. This could permanently put you on trt regardless of how good your pct is. There is a lot more I could say about health sides of nandrolone but I'll keep it short.
Do not do tren either. Pretty much the same situation.
Stick with test. Maybe an oral. If you're going to cycle at all. I'd love to run nandrolone because it is such a great mass builder. But I'm waiting until I can build up my physique to around 270 lbs before I start because I know the nandrolone comes with a heavy price and I don't want to pay it until I absolutely have to.
Very helpful, much appreciated. Given what I'm reading here and in other forums, clearly, further adjustment is necessary. The consensus being, for starters that deca is too aggressive for me given my novice and minimal experience with gear.
I was looking to explore a bit further than test and dbol this go-around, but I may just be over eager here and should play it safer as I did previously.
In my humble opinion you need to put on more size with food before starting this cycle. I think you can easily put on anywhere from 15-30 lbs before running anything.
Hey thanks for the reply, I do plan to put on more weight naturally prior to beginning the cycle, estimating 2 months +- before I kick it off pending progress, state of my nutrition/training etc.
I'm not kicking this off right away, allotting plenty of time to have everything buttoned down prior to kicking it off. I recently dropped a bunch of dead weight, and am on the upswing with cleaner natural gains at present.
RustyhookerBad idea all the way around. No stats, age, full pix. I'd hold off bro.
Age 29, 5'8 - I've been lifting generally for the last 15 years, power/oly for the last 2. No pics, sorry. Yes arguably lean at the moment as I've been cutting and dialing in my nutrition for the last few months and have shed 15-20lbs.
RustyhookerI'd figure out my end goal and chat with makwa and medex on food help. Get you over 200 solid, then try a cycle.
You're a bit undersized, bud, even for being lean. Have you considered putting on about 20 solid pounds with just food?