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Hey guys, I'm planning out a third cycle and would like to get your takes on it. I am 32, 190lbs, 8% BF, 6'0". I'd like to bulk up a bit, while concentrating on getting more vascular and cut. I'm not trying to look puffy as I already have those tendencies, and it is pretty difficult for me to get vascular for some reason. My first cycle, as recommended was Test E alongside anti-estrogen's. I had very good results; strength gains, and I got bigger. My second cycle was Test Prop with anavar and anti-e's. The results of this cycle were good too, but the painful pumps I was encountering hindered the amount I could lift which I thought was counter productive. I recently injured myself and have been on rhgh for the past month to help heal and to hopefully not lose everything I worked hard for up until now. I plan on running the hgh for about 6+ months and when I am healed up, and have been working out without pain for about a month or so I'd like to start a cycle to build back what I had prior to my injury. I have the following on hand: Test e, test prop, npp, and masteron e. Anti estrogen's will be purchased according to your recommendations well in advance to cycle. I'd like to add some cabergoline if the npp is used, but I'm thinking that I may save that for subsequent cycles when I have a bit more 'experience' under my belt. The anavar in my last cycle disturbed my joints I believe (or my muscle was better adapted to lift the weight I worked out with while my joints were not ready for that kind of weight). That's the only reason I bought the npp, because I heard it alleviates joint pain. Please help me out in my planning, I would really appreciate help from you veterans. Thanks in advance.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

8% BF and "not" vascular?.. something is way off here!... do you train heavy bro?.. only 3 things hide veins thats either FAT or WATER or the last thing which i hope it isnt is NO density to muscle bellies and thats through lack of challenging weight during training.... its not a new stack you need its training and diet info i think bro.

oli's picture

Maybe I'm just trying to be veiny as hell, and my body does retain a lot of water. I'm pretty sure it's not through a lack of challenging weight during training, and my diet is relatively ideal. I'm always trying to improve my diet, and I push my body to it's limits as well. But I will take your advice and refine my diet, and go to others to give me some different exercises and I'll see how that goes.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Try this for me bro the next time you train and come back let me know the results ok.. eat about 300/400 grams of 80% cocoa dark chocolate half hour before training ok then at the top of each movement tense and hold for the count of 2 every rep... tell me your veins dont look like they are gonna bust through skin after this... please try it and report back brother.

oli's picture

I will do that. I've never heard of eating dark chocolate prior to working out. I find it a little bitter for my taste, but I will bust out the digital scale and get some quality dark chocolate and get back to you with the results. It may take me a while because I'm still injured, but I get back to you I promise.

OmNom's picture

I hate chocolate what about me D=

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Whiskey bro....hahahahah

oli's picture

Now that, I've heard of. I don't drink at all let alone pre workout lol, but I'll let you know about the dark chocolate

OmNom's picture

Im a gin guy myself.. whiskey is to sweet

MASSIVE48's picture

Boom!..great advice rite there vike!:) +1

Carlos Danger's picture

I'd rather see u run some a long ester Test and EQ for 16 weeks. Teres no need for any extra ancillaries except for an AI. No need to worry bout ur dick going limp or milky tits. EQ also helps with collagen and protein synthesi. No achy joints with EQ. EQ will get u the vas Haleigh ur looking for. Add Prop kicker n Tbol taper. Or Prop kick and Taper with Tbol taper as well. Or Tbol kick and prop taper. Or Prop and Bold ace kick n taper. Basically the combinations are almost endless. U ready to take the training wheels off then hit me up on PM

Detroitnate's picture

Good advise brother

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MASSIVE48's picture

Maybe a 12 week test E prop kicker and taper and winny finisher?

oli's picture

I'm hesitant to try winny because of my joints, even though it is an appealing substance if used with npp or deca to me. Like I said, the anavar hurt my joints, so I'm not sure what winny would do to them alone.

MASSIVE48's picture

Or you know what all you need is Test E and Npp bro, youll see some good lean muscle gains that way with a strict diet and cardio..no need to throw in so many compounds it is only your third cycle afterall.

MASSIVE48's picture

Ahh then maybe switch the prop with npp with a mast p finisher and prop taper?

oli's picture

I have it on hand, but like you said, it may be too many compounds for this early of a cycle?

eire77's picture

my last cycle pal i used npp and prop 50 mgs each daily and loved it Smile

oli's picture

npp sounds great, I'm just scared that I won't have any sex drive after the cycle is over lol. After my test var cycle, it took me a bit to get my libido back and I was using clomid/nolva/hcg/aromasin/vitamin e. What was your experience on this in regards to npp?

Detroitnate's picture

I have run Npp a lot with great gains and low sides. I have used it as a lean bulker and got good size and droped a little bf here is a cycle you could give a try

(weeks 1 - 4) Test P @ 150mg ED
(weeks 1 – 14) Test-E @ 600mg EW
(weeks 1 – 13) NPP @ 525mg (each week) but EOD protocol
(weeks 9 – 16) Anavar @80mg ED

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oli's picture

very cool, thanks for that! Can you please supply me with what you would use for a PCT thereafter?

Detroitnate's picture

G&C’s Ultimate PCT:

Aromasin 12.5mg Daily continuing the two weeks between last test shot and PCT
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Dail

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ksquared's picture

I am saving this cycle! haha good looks man I've had my eye on NPP for awhile now seems like a great alternative to deca... the only thing that I think might be a problem is if this is only his 3rd cycle thats a lot of pinning lol

As for that PCT that just doesnt make sense ... your doses must have been off or the gear was underdosed because after that mild of a cycle I feel a clomid and nolva regiment should have been plenty

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

What PCT bro there is none listed ???

ksquared's picture

Look a couple comments up oli stated that he was worried about running NPP because his expierence getting his libido back up after a cycle..... "After my test var cycle, it took me a bit to get my libido back and I was using clomid/nolva/hcg/aromasin/vitamin e."

I was just saying after a test/var cycle that doesnt make sense ... a simple clomid/nolva protocol should have been plenty ...my bad I can see how that last post was confusing i just re-read it lol

oli's picture

That's awesome that you guys got together and shared such detailed experiences and personal data. Did you post your PCT anywhere, I'd love to see it.

ksquared's picture

Agreed! that is awesome ... way to go big dawg- same goes for me was wondering if you have this PCT posted

ksquared's picture

Appreciate you sir!

eire77's picture

honestly loved it ' nice lean gains and strenght way up ' no deca dick bro but i dont suffer sides im lucky like that no estro probs'but you could always finish with just prop and taper pal ' il be running it again thats for sure ' i had bad shoulder tendon probs to but after listening to tread and his opinions on tumeric and avoiding some exercises i think im over it at last '

oli's picture

I didn't have any problems while on cycle with the test I was using, but after the cycle was over it was kind of depressing not being able to consistently get it up and bang chicks. My dick worked sometimes, other times, not so much. Then I got into the anxiety about my dick functioning thing and that fucked my shit up even more! Is there a time after coming off a cycle where I should just accept the fact that my sex drive and ability to bang broads will be severely compromised?

overjuicedbull's picture

I like the idea of the tbol/var taper at the end to help solidify the gains i made from my cycle:

Dbol wk 1-5
Sustanon wk 1-11 @ 700mg
Sustanon wk 12-22 @ 900mg
Deca wk 7-16 @ 300mg
Test Prop wk 22-25 @ 100mg eod
Tbol ???? help me with dose and when to use

No PCT, TRT

overjuicedbull's picture

I like the idea of the tbol/var taper at the end to help solidify the gains i made from my cycle:

Dbol wk 1-5
Sustanon wk 1-11 @ 700mg
Sustanon wk 12-22 @ 900mg
Deca wk 7-16 @ 300mg
Test Prop wk 22-25 @ 100mg eod
Tbol ???? help me with dose and when to use

No PCT, TRT