posted Wed, 11/02/2016 - 16:13
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6 wk 50mg/ day dbol dose. Take 50/mg a day until they run out and still have an effect with the orals.
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I don't understand why everyone (not just you mate and not having a pop) thinks 50 Dbol ED is a good starting dose. Run 20 split am/pm for 4 weeks and watch yourself blow the fuck up!
Thanks!
Couldn't agree more. 30mg of is my sweetspot. Any more than that and it's balloon face time. 50mg would make me look like shit
AnonWith Quality dbol the member wouldn't need any more than what you mentioned, when people talk about running dbol at a high dose it is underdosed.... imo
Testrogen_PropC...+1 completely agreed bro. It is ALWAYS best to start low, not only for side effect dodging, but also to give yourself room to go up if gains aren't coming. Minimum effective dose is the way to start.
50 of Dbol is a huge dose in my eyes and as you rightly said if sides appear like very probably will do with Dbol you're unable/not as easily able to control them.
Thans for all the replies but the only question ive posted is concerning dbol dosages.
Question: I received 100 10MG tabs. Realize that isn't enough to do the 6 wk 50mg/ day dbol dose. Can I take 50/mg a day until they run out and still have an effect with the orals. Could I lower daily dose to 30 mg? Should I just purchase more to complete the entire 6 wk course of 50mg/ day?
Dbol would be better dosed and administered at 50mg/d for 4 weeks....along with an AI of choice on hand, as well as, a long ester test base like cyp, or Enanthate.
So I need to buy at least one or two more boxes.
Thx med!
Whatever you decide to do, you better make sure your daily cal/mac plan is proportionately adequate, your BMR is titrated weekly, and your lifting regimen is designed for your goals, if not, your just wasting everybody's time and your money, bro
Easy dawg!! It's your choice to cycle, and i cant keep ya from using AAS!! Make sure you have pre, mid, and post cycle bloods, check your blood pressure and stay hydrated, and use a liver supp....BE SAFE, bro...dbol is a hyped up oral...yea it's beneficial...but have your AI ready...and get them mid cycle bloods beginning week 5...if you're huffin' and a puffin', while bending over and puttin' your shoes on, then you're aromatization rate is high and you need to monitor your AI dosage...
Have my AIs and liver support ready to go. Bloods are provided by my endo so those are square. Gonna try ketosis this cycle and stay away from carbs. Stuff down chicken, pork, fish and veggies. I get breathless on Tren but never any other compounds, guess that's the nature of the beast.
Appreciate the good advice, let me know if I missed anything.
You're going to be very disappointed trying to bulk on no carbs. You'll just be going through the lifting motions wondering why you aren't gaining, can't seem to get a pump and blaming the gear.
trying to build steady mass over an 8 Mo time frame.
I thought you were trying to grow so why a keto diet?
Most "carbs" now days are nothing more than refined processed sugar. I'll eat steel cut oats, peanuts/peanut butter, granola, and toss some fruit in my morning green shake, if energy lvls dive. My body maintains a pretty steady 195-205lbs. Building 20 lean lbs in 8 months should be doable eating a clean low carb diet. This cycle will be tcyp+ Dbol cruise for 3 mo and next before/during summer will be my Tren+tcyp+ TNE cycle. It will be the third time I've done a Tren cycle so aware of sides ect...
At 40 yrs old if I eat processed carbs my waist line goes to ....
Then stick to natural sources of quality complex carbohydrates.
GnarkillGimme them God dam potatoes lol
Used to eat potatos w my eggs gained weight around my waist so eliminated most my carb intake. Doing good on mostly protein, but will up the carbs if energy lvls run low. Could be an issue with age + metabolism but carbs effect me significantly worse than in my youth.
Don't eat processed carbs then. lol. There is no need to. Good luck trying to bulk on a keto diet though.
If I avg 2.5/lbs à month I'll reach my goal of 225 by june. Read a good amount of your posts. Do you think eating 95% protein/ veggies and only occasionally supplimenting with fruits, peanuts/peanutbutter and granola, steel cut oats; will not let me acheive my goal of 20 lbs in in 8 Mo?
Thank you
Gain 2.5 lbs a month on a keto diet....no way!
What's the min % of clean carbs I'd need to include to gain 2.5 lbs /mo?
2.5 lbs/month probably isn't very realistic. Now if you were some 5'11" dude weighing 150lbs it would be a piece of cake, but 2.5lbs of muscle/month is alot. My goal is also 20 additional lbs and I am taking a whole year off of competing to achieve that. I hoping to hit that 20lb goal over the next 1.5 years.
Don't tie both of your hands behind your back trying to bulk on a keto diet. Shoot for a 30/40/30 (P/C/F) ratio for macros with at least 500+ cals above your TDEE, if on cycle I wouldn't hesitate to bump that up to 1000+ cals if you are starting your cycle near 10-12% BF. That will give you the most realistic chance for gaining some quality weight.
And Mak. Brings it home
Solid advice..
Thx for the breakdown makwa.
Question. My height is almost 5'10" (5'9" 3/4) I would be more than happy being 225lbs at 12% , look muscular but not competition shredded. If you are 5'5" currently at 190lbs, wouldn't it be easier for me to add the 20 lbs in less time due to my height?
What BF % will you be at 210 lbs?
Theoretically it should be easier for you to gain weight a little a quicker but you are fairly solid already. If you were a squishy 18-20% BF it would essentially be even easier to gain some muscle after knocking the fat down since you would be alot further away from your realistic naturally potential. Given your age and current stats though it is going to be an uphill battle to put on that much quality weight in that short of time frame. No harm in trying though but don't be to discouraged if you are not meeting your 2.5lbs/month goal. 2.5lbs/month of fat would be no problem but we are talking about gaining quality weight here not garbage weight or water weight. So 2.5lbs/month of scale weight is definitely doable, but there is huge difference between that and actual lean body mass.
If I get up to around 210lbs I would expect to be about 14-15% BF with my ultimate goal to drop down to about 200 at 10% BF which put me solid in the light heavy weight division. If I can do 1lb/month of lean mass off cycle I am going to be more than happy with the expectation to see that increase a bit on cycle.
That's awesome. Are you going to log your progress I'd be interested in your results.
I will start logging at the beginning of Dec when my new cycle starts.
Good luck!
shadowz
I pretty much log everything all the time whether on or off cycle. Helps to let me know if what I'm doing is actually doing anything or not
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Hopefully, OP stays smart and takes people's suggestions to heart....he's gonna run the steroids, even if we tell him not to. Methandrostanolone 25mg p.o. b.i.d. is an effective dose and frequency, especially if diet is clean and lifting regimen involves tonnage and volume.
i dont see the point of running any D/bol on a low carb diet........... D/bol is a classic kicker for early strength and size gains coupled with a carb rich diet........... in this low carb environment he says he is aiming for it wont work............. D/bol on this occasion will be just be another route for aromatase and bad sides......... without carbs he will not have the strength or endurance to work the tonnage/volume principle properly.
Appreciate people finally answering
Thx
TiptoptimI would only do the Test I would keep it at 250mg twice a week Monday-Thursday that's 500mg a week. Stay away from the tren.
bigbambamRemember what you said basic!!! Tren isn't basic what so ever. Start off slow get the best out of the cycle by training hard and eating good. More compounds isnt better trust me.
Don't start adding in dbol or Tren or anything. If you must run a cycle, just run Sust or something by itself, and make sure you have your extras.
The only reason I'm not doing another tren cycle immediately, I don't want to waste it due to some minor joint soreness (age). Have the 100 tabs Dbol and considering I've never done orals before would like advice on them.
Tcyp + Dbol is the simplest cycle I've done other than the sust 250.
Simply because you have some dbol is not a reason to use it....since you are gonna run it, be advised dbol is famous for raising bp along with some nasty back pumps...monitor your bp closely, keep hydrated....first time with dbol I would suggest 30mg day split am/pm and go from there, if it's quality that may be all you need...
Keep it simple you say....12 wk test/provi cycle and the right nutrition is about as simple as it gets, or as complicated as it needs to be for most....stay safe
Back pumps?
its like back cramps really....................... feels like being hugged by a grizzly, hard to catch the breath and impossible to train any body part if it hits you hard.
Yep!....it's like a good ol chest or bicep pump except in the back (mostly lower back for me)....those back muscles r tight and contracted, can b downrite painful at times...squats , deadlifts , seem to set it off ( again in my experience)...now I'm of the opinion that the older one gets the worse these can be simply by default of yrs of hard work and lifting or degeneration of the discs themselves causing extra work by those lower back muscles, add in some dbol and the chances r pretty good on experiencing the dbol back pump...now I have lower back issues so it's a no brainer for me to stay away from the dbol.....not trying to scare you away from it , simply stating my experience with it ...
Have degenerative discs in my lower back so not trying to set any records with my DL or squats. My leg days are more maintenance now maybe the reason I've never experienced " back pump". Will keep on the lookout for unusual back pain, any normal "back pain" gets taken care of by my pain Doc. Looking into stem cell injections, hopefully get back on track.
I hear you on the not trying to set any records, legs and lower back is lighter weight more volume for the most part, now n again I go heavy but nothing like the young bucks do lol....
You look great for your age. Are you still taking the pain meds? Also have you looked into Stem cell therapy?
No more meds for me, I have them on hand and basically can just call my pain dr and get in for an epidural as needed, but I do not take anything anymore....going thru therapy a couple time really drove home the importance of stretching, rest , and diet, so I can live a active life....yah I've had to give up certain activities both in and out of the gym but hey, that just comes with territory....squats, deadlifts, leg press, all much lighter weights these days, can't hit the 300yd drive anymore either but I still shoot in the low 80's lol....
Listen to your body, know your limitations, ( to quote Clint Eastwood), and learn the basics of healthy livivg and body maintenance, without these tools it's a short path to being laid up on the couch watching I love Lucy reruns!....
So many people are quick to jump on gear thinking it's the answer when in reality it's can be a very destructive addition if all the other puzzle pieces are not in place first!..sorry if I rambled on, the wife brought home some Starbucks home brew, much stronger than my folgers lol...
I still take pain meds to assist with physical activities. Actually find my performance is significantly increased after taking a small dose. Read studies about how long term opioid use lowers Test levels but the benefits outweigh the risks. Have an inversion table and pullup bar for straight arm hangs to take pressure off the discs. Eat healthy organic and stay away from sugars (carbs). Being on TRT has definitely benefited me and would recommend anyone 40+ get bloodwork done and see an endocronologist.
Rustyhooker+2 keep it simple
GnarkillTake source and brand names out also I think I bread it right but not sure but if your taking oral tren and dbol well rest in piece bro cause your going on die also 2002 was your last cycle well to man years gone by start with a test only cycle of course have an ai and some nolvadex on hand good luck bro drop the tren once someone is comfortable to be a pin cushion is about the time to take tren after many cycles
My first cycle was 2002, last cycle was tren/tcyp few months back.
Tren will be used again next cycle after this one.
Tcyp 500/wk @ Dbol??? for this cycle.