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Cycle 3

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Third Cycle
Trying for Lean Gains
30years old,training for 4 years, 5'8 195 lbs, bf 15-18% (down 10% in 4 months and dropping).

I have decided to try
Test E 300mg twice weekly weeks 1-16
EQ 250 twice weekly weeks 1-16
25 Mg of Oral Winny ED for weeks 10-16 (maybe move up to 50mg ED after 3 weeks if sides aren't too bad).

Workout will be 1.Chest/Shoulder/Calves 2. Back/Traps 3. Quads/Hemis 4. Arms/Calves 5. Off Abs and Cardio at my home gym mixed in with boxing training.

PCTs(Clomid and Nolva) and SERMs (Arimidex and Aromasin)on hand

Average Daily Diet
2-Elite Mass=1200 calories (12g fat, 154g carb(1g sugar/ 4g fiber), 110g protein)
2=Fusion7=380 Calories (12g fat, 46g protein, 22g carb (2g sugar/10g fiber)
Almonds(0.75 Cups)=900 Calories (84g fat, 36g Protein, 36 carb (0 sugar/18g fiber)
St. Oats (1 cup)= 600 Calories (16g protein, 108g carbs, 12g fiber)
2.5 lbs grilled chicken= 1840 Calories (110g protein, 0 Carb, 12.5 fat)
4-Egg Whites= 68 Calories (14.4 protein, 1 carb, 0 fat)
4988 calories, 330.4g protein, 421g carbs, 3g sugar, 120.5g fat

Anything I need to modify?
What can I expect from this cycle?

john_dough's picture

Test E 300mg twice weekly Weeks 1-16
EQ 250mg twice weekly Weeks 1-16
Winny (oral) 25mg ED Weeks 10-16 (may go to 50mg ED 14-16)

fast48's picture

Now right there is a sweet cycle! Clip the eq at 14 even though its my fave. Winny will boost the androgens nicely. Good call. Even at 25mg.....it will match with the eq for serious pumps. Like you're gonna take 5 mins between sets kinda pumps. Better for heavy lifts anyways to have good breaks. Now one tjing that'd important.....cardio off your butt for one month prior to tjis cycle and eat clean clean clean! That cycle will bliw you up BUT with higher bf your bp will go up as will estrogen. Bf will make estro a hassle. One month is short. Get below 12%. You'll thank me later.

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

Just wondering, why clip the eq at 14 weeks? Why not run to 16? Is it due to the winny?

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fast48's picture

Not because the Winny. Winny will boost the effects of the androgens actually. I aske for a clip two Weeks early for a couple reasons. One.....the eq will begin its taper/runout while test is still working. Test/Winny works great together at finish. Some run Winny til two days pct for hard drying.

Second.....he won't have the drop in blood of two androgens at same time. If he was working on fourth/fifth cycle and fully prepped then most folks would go 18eq and 20test. He's reached a good minimum for the eq IMO for a third cycle. Not being used to long cycles can have it's own issues. Extra down time for recovery. Extra pins etc.

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

Got ya, cheers:)

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Way to go brother... good advice +3 Smile

fast48's picture

Thank you bro!!

john_dough's picture

I was actually thinking about extending the test cycle by two weeks, keeping eq at 16 and winny 12-18. Does that seem like a good idea? I want to get everything I can out of EQ. I've ran an 18 week test cycle already with no issues.

fast48's picture

Eq16....test18. Sure. Make sure ssince you're extending this to have hcg on hand. Lil longer can be more shrinkage. Just so your pct doesn't have to struggle as hard

john_dough's picture

word. Thanks Bro! I should be able to cut the bf in the three weeks before I start + 4 weeks it'll take the esters to kick in. What can I expect from this cycle. I've never used Winny or EQ before. Used Test E, Anadrol, TNE, and (unfortunately) Tren Ace waaay too soon

fast48's picture

Eq will boost your red blood cells...solid no water gains and APPETITE. I really love eq for long runs and am hitting it again in 4Weeks. I too will cardio towards 10% then blastoff. For me the Winny just gives huge fast solud pumps. It helps dry....cut...veiny your body if sub10%. Raises metabolism which helps further those dry cuts. Towards end of cycle the Winny will literally make you rest. You'll pump up on a hard set and literally have to depump to do next set. Winny also works with to free up that test. You can easily google test and Winny. Long chain of events for big growth. I like the cycle and can easily see IF your food/training is perfect and if you study post workout regimines you should keep a solud dry 12lbs. This cycle is long...slow...solid gains. My fav!

john_dough's picture

That's friggin' gnar, bro! I'm so stoked now that I'm excited about doing cardio

fast48's picture

Make sure your pct is dialed. And ai as needed.

fast48's picture

Forums has good read....finished cycle now what. Eating well and lifting heavy but shorter after cycle and pct saves the gains. We all lose a bit but there's always body tricks. Hope ya grow well!

fast48's picture

Some/most og this is hard to read. Avoid yhat jacked shit. Rewrite a real cycle so its legible please. Biweekly or split is proper wording. Some folks use every third day as three shot per week.

john_dough's picture

This better, bro?

fast48's picture

Yes. List your ai and pct. As others jump in to help....it helps them as well. Protein up at 2.5grams per lb too.. Just as note

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