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Plan on running a twelve week cycle

Weeks 1-12 test cyp 250 WK
Weeks 1-12 EQ 450-600 WK
Weeks1-2 Tren Ace 50 EOD
Weeks 3-12 Tren Ace 100 EOD
Weeks 1-6 Clen 2-4 MCG ED (maybe)

I was thinking of doing a cut diet for the first six weeks then upping my caloric intake for the last six. Of course I will be eating clean.

History: 33 yrs 8 yrs training 208 lbs around 15% bf 2 prev cycles
1, test only 500 wk. 2, test g wk DECA 450 wk
Been blasting and cruising last 8 months

COMMENTS or OPINIONS?

cajunfire's picture

Alright I'm gng to comment on this crazy post. 1 how long have you been running gear? 2 if not long I'd stay away from tren. 3 if your bf is that high to run clen, you should dial in your diet clen is not a beginners compound. 4 eq is also a compound that you must watch RBC will get out of had quickly. I'd stick to a 300mg test, 300mg npp, 30mg var run. I've had great results from npp less all the sides. I'm not sure what you have under your belt, your new here but doesn't meen your not experienced, just caution taken when giving cycle advice. Also 8 months is not a blast and cruise no time for body to recomp run a solid cycle them pct to avoid trt. If you need any further advice pm me.

Cajun

Mrcoolbeans's picture

Funny i see this post. After going back and forth a little with my soon to be prep coach. He asked me what i planned on doing as far as gear. I said Ive been bulking and then taking 8 weeks off clean with pct, then starting prep 16 weeks out and running my cutting cycle... And he said whaaaat? your comming completely off? Told be ( now this is for hardcore competitors/npc etc ) that usually people tend to do a 3 month bulk, and go straight to a 3 month cut for prep. I havent even done that before and Im nationally qualified. Thats 24 weeks on something which iust crazy imo.
But depending on your goals, 12 weeks isnt enough time to bulk and then cut...
Best case imo if your lean already which you said 15% so NO, is bulk with short esters for 8 weeks, then switch compounds still with short easter and cut for another 8 weeks....

but then again, this is me talking out my ass so this is just advise, do whatever the fu*k you wanna do. _ thank you htwins.

But for real, you sounds a little over weight, Id say do just a cutting stack and diet well.
Drop the eq cause 12 weeks isnt enough time for that compound, you can keep test but id up it to 500mg, keep the tren even though its a harsh compound for some, run that 100mg eod. I love clen so do what you want with that.
palumbo say do 20mcg 2x a day for a couple weeks and up it if necessary to 40x2 , Ive always done it 20mcg for 3 days, 40 for 3 days and go up if needed then 2wk on 2wk off.

Everyone here knows more then, probably should listen to them

Ol' Dad's picture

Thank you for your input sir, I'm gonna drop the EQ and go with test/tren. I may just go with hydroxycut hardcore rather than the Clen. I'm pretty good at keeping my diet strict.I like this recomp idea someone commented. Only go into a 500 cal deficit. With light 30 min fasted cardio. I have two months to plan out a new diet and training regimen.

TheFlash85's picture

That cycle is for mouths on fkn twigs. Anyone co signs it can get too fuck. Ludacris what people prepose these days. Look into mast mate. Test and mast.

Ol' Dad's picture

Thanks guys, gonna revamp this cycle and diet. Gonna run test cyp at 250 wk and tren ace at 100 EOD. Forget the Clen and EQ. Diet's outdated. Got it from an old school body builder "steak and egg diet". I'm dropping my test close to 150 a wk until I start this March 1. Should have done my research myself instead of listening to people.

irongame427's picture

Not enough time for either goal. Building muscle takes time, the shortest I would ever bulk is 8 weeks, and same for a cut. Preferably 12-16 weeks. if you're 208lbs at a legit 15% bf I would run like a 12 week cut/recomp, but more of a cut. Done drop into a dramatic deficit like 1000 calls, I'd stick to 500 below Maintance, at that level you'll drop a pound of fat a week just from the diet, and gear will add a little more to that so over 12 weeks you could drop 15-18lbs of pure fat, plus some water. But not being in a steep deficit means you can possibly add some muscle at the same time. But your results would be much better if you were not cruising the last 8 months. Receptors would be more fresh. A goal of 200lbs at 8-10-% bf would be great and definitely possible if you have your protein very high and structure the rest of your diet correclty. The key to building muscle on a cut is very high protein, keeping a positive nitrogen balance all day long. I'd eat 6-8 meals a day and sip on bcaa shakes between all meals. Do that and you'll get some great results. Sold test and var should do the trick. Maybe some proviron for its all it's great benefits. Tren isn't necessary.

Ol' Dad's picture

Damn bro, thank you. I'm just gonna run the test cyp and tren ace and do what you said. Do you think if I lowered my cruise to 150 a wk until March first when I run this cycle I will get better results? What should my macros look like to hit that 200 lbs 10% bf? At the end of this I'm gonna run hcg and proper pct and chill for a while. Get my natural levels checked.

true grit's picture

So, this is what you really meant....

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you bro. That is such great , solid advice Irongame. I'm gonna do everything you just said, except, instead, I'm going to interpret what you said to mean exactly what I want it to mean, and I'm going to go ahead and do what I want to do anyway. Thx

ChickenBirdOfGains's picture

Also I just noticed your face in your profile picture. Might want edit that mate

Wreckit's picture

What I would do is run a recomp the whole phase. It's kinda what I think you want.... Bring up muscle while dropping BF%.

I think you clen dosage is not what you meant , but I've ran very similar cycle many times in the past.
WARNING .. Beware of anxiety. Clen, Tren, and Eq is very likely to give anxiety. If so lower the dose of Tren and see if it fades and cut out the clen and do ECA in It's place.

I'd start your a diet a week or 2 prior to cycle. Get it dialed in to maintanence and bump up above on training days and drop it back to maintenance on non training days. Add in a few days of light steady state cardio for about 25-30 min. Adjust your diet as you go to reach your goal. The Tren and Eq will both help with the recomp. The clen will help you shed fat and you can still add muscle.

Ol' Dad's picture

Lmao..I thought of that. My tats are just as easy to identify

ChickenBirdOfGains's picture

Don't try to do both. Focus on one. Either cut or bulk. I also don't recommend all those compounds.

Do you know your natural test levels after a while of blasting and cruising?

Ol' Dad's picture

Nope, I just run 250 test.

Ol' Dad's picture

Cruise at 250 I meant.

ChickenBirdOfGains's picture

Damn bro, 250mg/week is a lot to cruise at. Have you used any HCG? I would think your HPTA is crushed.

Was this self-prescribed TRT?

If you want my advice, I'd recommend holding off on running this cycle for a little while. Tighten up your diet, dial-in your cardio regiment, and you should be able to get down to 10-11%BF without much difficulties or time.

If I were you, I'd really want to find out my natural testosterone levels before beginning another cycle.

This is an excellent site though, filled with so much great information.

Ol' Dad's picture

Damn..thanks. A few friends of mine cruise on 250 who taught me a lot about gear. Imma start researching a lot more on here and other sites.

ChickenBirdOfGains's picture

No worries buddy, we are all here to learn, teach, and help each other. I think a more commonly used dosage for doctor prescribed TRT would be between 100-150mg a week. It depends on the person, but I believe this dosage puts the average male around the 900-1000 mark for Tesosterone.

My first and only cycle I ran Testosterone Propionate @ 375mg/week with great results.

But if you don't want to be on Dr. prescribed TRT for the rest of your life, I recommend going to a doctor and finding out what your natural levels are at.

Were you needing to take any AI at the dosage?

Have you experienced any testicular atrophy?

Honestly the thought of pumping my body with 250mg/week of exogenous Tesosterone for six months scares the shit out of me.

You may need to have a prostate exam as well to make sure it's not enlarged.

There's a lot of veterans here who'll be able to give you more detailed answers then what I've given you. But I do think going to a doctor to find out how your bodies natural production of testosterone is a good idea.

irongame427's picture

Trt doses are weird, we all metabolize drugs at a different rate. I've actually had genetic testing done and it has like 20 pages of different types of drugs and for example it will say xxx receptor mutation, ultra metabolizer, use with caution, may require higher doses etc. So I've seen 100mgs of test put guys around 1000ng/dl, it only puts me around 500. 200mgs of Watson cyp puts me a little over 900, others would be over 1500. Wish she would have done testing on steroids lol, unfortunately it was only on pain meds, anxiety, nsaids, add, anti depressants and a few others. Really cool shit though. I believe this is why some guys just explode with a small dose of test whereas others have mediocre results while having a great diet and training program. Androgen receptor variations and mutations.

PPGfreak's picture

I'm personally not a fan of this idea. Because I think you're only going to do minimal cutting in six weeks, and then you're going to do little to no bulking in six weeks. I would rather see you do a lien bulk/recomp the whole time. I personally don't really like the lien bulk idea either but at least that's closer to your goal.

I would also recommend dropping one of the compounds because I don't think you need to run three at once. I'm really not sure what your actual goal is when I comes on the body fat % or total weight. So it's a little hard to recommend how to adjust your cycle.

  1. What's your diet going to look like?
  2. What's your PCT look like?

Last week thing, I don't feel EQ until week eight or even nine. So I'm not a fan of only running it 12 weeks because I think you're going to get almost nothing out of it.

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Ol' Dad's picture

I just want to get around 10% bf or lower. I feel I could do this in six weeks.

Diet plans.

M-F training days 200 gs protein 100 gs fats very low carbs if any

Sat-Sun off days same with 200 gs carbs even simple carbs for one cheat meal

No pct I'll just cruise for a while

PPGfreak's picture

Well if your goal is 10% body fat that I don't think you really need any of those drugs. Especially all of them at the same time. Eating so little I'm expecting you to lose a lot of muscle on top of that body fat. I don't believe you're going to maintain all your muscle with that level of food intake. But again I'm still curious why the EQ because if you think you can reach the goal by week six.... the EQ won't have even kicked in yet.

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Ol' Dad's picture

EQ because I look to soft. I want that hard vascular look. I guess I need to go back to the drawing board on my diet. I read to maintain you eat a g of protein for every pound of lean mass.

Ol' Dad's picture

So, cut the EQ and run the Tren and low test? Diet recommendation?
Please and thank you, appreciate your input

Ol' Dad's picture

So, cut the EQ and run the Tren and low test? Diet recommendation?
Please and thank you, appreciate your input