posted Sun, 01/27/2013 - 06:29
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Had a few questions that I need help with I've Never cruised on test b4 and was wondering how long one stays on , how much mgs are taken weekly and what test is good to use and what to do about pct after cruise any input would be much appreciated thanks.....
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270strengthThanks for the input on this subject all of u
AnonCruising is for lifers like me there is no pct....test cyp is most commonly used...mg varies from person to person.... i typically run 250- 300 mg per week til my next blast (cycle)
Sounds like you're more interested in a bridge from one cycle to the next. Virtually the same thing as a cruise, but with the intention of running a vigorous pct following the second cycle. Depending on your age and cycle history, this can be a dangerous thing to do. Say you run a 12 week cycle then bridge with cyp or enth for the next 6-8 weeks, then another 12 week cycle. You run a serious risk of never fully recovering from the suppression. Some guys run test at 250mg/week while on a cruise or bridge. I think that would put way to much supression on you if you intend on trying to recover natty test levels. Typical TRT injections are 250mg cyp every two weeks. I've been on TRT for a while. I blast for about 8 weeks then cruise for about 6. Then blast again. My doctor pulls blood work on me every thre months as well.
Blast & Cruise. A term used Mostly by TRT patients or Pro's. The Cruise is the time in between blasts. Usually about the same amount of time that one would blast, they would also cruise. If someone did a 12 week blast of a few compounds, they'd typically take the same amount of time to cruise in between blasts. Cruising is more or less taking a break and giving the body a chance to clear before the next blast to make it more efficient. If i'm missing anything someone please chime in.
UPnSMOKEThe cruise time is unique to the user. Some go by feel. Some go by a strict time frame like of time on +time on cruise. Some do a shorter cruise time like 4-6-8 weeks if their blast was short esters or if their goal is planned in a short window like say a year. Others let the cruise be dictated by their comp schedule. It really varies per user. Liver supps/Prostate supps/diet and a good AI needs to be part of the bridge. Staying healthy in the heart, Liver, and prostate is key otherwise you can get unhealthy really quick. E2, Lipids and Liver enzymes must be monitored constantly with bloods if you want to be safe. I've done both a cruise n blast and Blast n PCT and I seem to like my time off to decompress physically and mentally. IM on TRT and still do a custom PCT but also don't stay off like a normal Time on+PCT=Time off.
I don't understand why you're even attempting a pct if your a TRT patient. Just a waste of time and money in my opinion. Did the docs put you on TRT or did you just do it yourself? I've been TRT for a while. There is no more pct. It does nothing for a TRT patient in terms of any sort of up regulation of the hpta axis. I'm confused homey. You must l know something the rest of us don't.
UPnSMOKEMy basline is 240-250. After cycle it drops without te TRT dose. If I don't want to crash thru the floor and become a walking coma I have to pct with hcg n aromasin. Otherwise I have to pin for years at a time. Sometimes I just want to get rid of the leash
UPnSMOKEI can't be pinning for years at a time. Feel like a hype. Sorry bro after about a year I need time off. Just too much pinning
I see your point there. Pinning all the time gets old when every day site you have starts to stay sore. I pinned over 200 times last year alone. Even I were to run pct instead of a therapeutic test dose, I would bottom out like you wouldn't believe. I can't function like that. But I can get by with a bi weekly dose of test cyp or enth for a few weeks. That's about as good as it gets for me.
But correct me if I'm wrong here but of you're cruising doesn't that mean your natty test is just too low to feel like a man let alone keep any gains? Wouldn't pct be pointless? I mean I have to assume that your doc who discovered the low test first attempted to restore it before putting you on trt. So if clomid, nolva, hcg don't bring you back to some level of normalcy then why pct at all?
UPnSMOKETo a degree. 250 is way better than my lowest levels per blood test post cycle of a whopping 65. I can do 250 for a month off. And when I was diagnosed I tested at 245 with zero sides other than depression. No Ed no lack of muscle. Nothing. I went a year blasting n cruise and I needed a break from being crucified to that needle. Some guys love trt. Me I personally find it humiliating and depressing. Not the physical part but the fact that I'm in my mid thirties and the rest of my life I am a slave to the needle. Maybe one day ill accept it as just part of life. But bud it hasn't hit me yet. I still hate the needle as much as I love to cycle its still a curse in my eyes.
I thought the same. I was genuinely interested in his response to this. If you are on TRT, your natty test is fucked so you don't PCT (or so I thought).
AnonMy thoughts too..but its not jus my thought its fact...if your trt... thats it no more natty test levels of any quality...one must suppliment and these days im used to it.... if you look at it in a negative way... then it will be.... it makes a huge diff in the way i feel so i stay positive about it.... i mean u could get away with only pinning every week anda half and keep good levels... or atleast i have
UPnSMOKEEven more reason for the dude to hold out. If he's not stuck on TRT already then for sure he will be after he does a Blast Cruise on a permanent basis or he at least raises his risk of TRT by blast n cruise method. Thats the real question here. But he may not give a shit about it one way or another.
Let me ask you, would you choose to be a trt guy or a guy with Natty test they the roof?
AnonThats an easy one....natty test.....but at my age...it would def not be through the roof
Generally that's the norm. He must have found something that seems to work for him. I couldn't pull it off.
UPnSMOKEIt's not so much that its a perfect way. It's just to get off the needle for a bit. So after a cycle of test eq tren. 3 wks post last injection I tested at 1400+ after 8 wks completely off the needle I was at 300. So that's 8 full wks off cycle without pct med I was still at 300. I was above my baseline and still functioning sexually. That's a good down time and still I was above my baseline. With a decent pct it would've taken longer to get down to that 300. I jumped back on after 8wks off. I know its not for everybody and I don't recommend it at all. It's just the way I have done at times for a break. Blast n cruise isn't a joke. People talk about it like its a walk in the park. Sorry but its not. It's a total committment that could last for years at a time. I'm just giving a different perspective based off of real experience. Not something I read but actually did. Figured it could help add to the conversation. Maybe?Maybe not?
So you cruise and PCT?
If you're cruising, then you don't PCT at all. You do know what a cruise is right?
UPnSMOKERight. It's a lomg term commitment normally either by a TRT guy who doesn't have to worry about endo test or kids or someone who is already in the Bodybuilding game and has made advanced gains and is looking for the next step.