posted Mon, 12/23/2013 - 10:01
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Critique my test/var cycle please.
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About to do first cycle. Can you guys pls critique.
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26
225 lb
6ft
Bf 18 or 20%
My diet
Ckd
My goals:
Cutting
200
10% bf
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg weekly (250 mg mon and thursday)
Week 1-12 Var 50 MG ED
Week 1-12 Aro 12.5 mg EOD (not sure if im gyno prone or not. but since my bf% is high im assuming im at risk)
Week 13-16 Perfect Pct (not sure how to does it. still reading forum threads playing catch up.)
Also..Thinking of using a 22 gauge. To pull and inject..less needles to keep up with.
Feel free to critque me harshly if necessary. I plan on being a long term player in this game. Any criticizm or recommendation is welcome. Im all ears.
Thank you for your time
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I know ill get some flack for saying this...but i dont always agree with the dont do it if youre over 20% bf theory...i mean will you see the results as well...no...will you probably have higher estrogen levels...yeah...but as long as you get bloods and control it and implement a great diet youll still put on a lot of clean mass...but thats just me...im between 9-16% yr round depending on what im doing but i did my first at 22% yrs ago and gained a lot of lean mass...i read most of the comments i would go 10weeks and only run var the last 7or8 weeks thats where my sweet spot is...on that cycle are you going to front load with test p?
Thanks for your input. I am a little nervous starting cycle around this bf%...but it good to see someone else has done it b4. But my plan now is to just run a standard test e cycle while using a ckd diet.
I think youll be very happy with that...still may want to front load with test p but either way i think you made the right choice bro
Everybody is always in a hurry to add an oral to their cycle. Having a couple cycles under my belt now and having done the first one testE and AI only I can tell you 100% that you will really enjoy just TestE without anything else (besides AI) Your libido will be off the hook , your lift strength will go up week by week, by the end of the 12 weeks you will be shocked how awesome you feel.
My second cycle I added a second oil, but I never felt as good as I did on just TestE bro.
As far as pins. If saving pins is your goal you are heading for a rude awakening when you go and get yourself an abscess. 22g to draw 25g to pin. Safety first.
RustyhookerAgree!
Thanks for your reply Ice. You make very good points and I value your insight as well as the others who posted. You guys are a huge help. Its all starting to come together in my head now.
CKD is a nice diet. A nice Test cycle w CKD should really work out - build strength, cut blubber, preserve mass. Keto takes a lot of discipline. I still have never figured out why we all look 10 years younger in the face on keto. Everyone does.
Merry Christmas bro.
GearHead
I totally agree with this. What I was getting at below is I believe a 26yo with good blood work and 7-8 years off lifting(should have good amount of muscle) should be able to take off 10-12 pounds natty with a good diet pretty quickly. And then run a first cycle with a little more concentration on adding muscle.
As far as the face I get this too. When I am in beach shape during the summer I always am told I look 22-23 but now after finishing a bulker I am back looking my age. Maybe its the lack of water retention that tightens up the face...
Thanks Bro! Yea ckd is badazz indeed.
Merry Christmas!!!
I personally dont have a problem with test & var as a first cycle.
However at 20% BF it's wasted as to really feel and see the benefit you need low BF already. So save it and if you can get to at least 12% BF by your next cycle use it then. 10% would be ideal!
Also you dont need to run it for 12 weeks either, thats bad for the liver. The last 6 weeks of a cycle is how ive used it.
Go for a 12 week test for now like recommended below, and you'll be good to go.
Thanks!
I am pretty much going to assume this is your first cycle, yes?
How long have you been training/lifting weights?
Is this cycle just for fat loss?
Have you had blood work done?
There are a lot of things here that need to get corrected.
Yes first cycle. I said so in my first sentence. so your assumption is correct :-)
Lifting since 2006..so 7-8 years
mainly fat loss but a recomp would be nice.
Yes had blood work done couple months ago. everything normal.
First off I would say keep reading the forums is the best idea you have.
Reading some in here:
http://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
plus the stickies in the forums would be good.
Now back to the cycle. The standard starter cycle is Test E 12wk with an AI started 3-4 weeks into cycle followed by PCT 15 days after last Test E pin. No reason at all to use Var at that body fat and on first cycle. You need to learn Test by itself first.
wks 1-12 Test E 500mg/wk split mon/thurs
wks 3-14 Aro 6.25 ED (adjust as needed)
PCT
wks 15-18
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Your perfect PCT should be comprised of something as this. Please post what the compounds are to better evaluate it.
EDIT:
Another PCT used with Aromasin looks as follows:
wks 15-18
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Aro 12.5/12.5/6.25/.6.25
Clomid 100/100/50/50
You should find these through your research.
As far as the needles go with a 20g-23g to draw but start with a 25g to inject. Do this for 2 reasons:
1- 25g controls the flow better and thus reduces PiP (if you don't know what PiP is you need to research it)
2- You need to change needles to make it easier on yourself. Going through the rubber stopper will dull the tip and you will be bludgeoning yourself.
NOW as far as running this I would say you just need to burn that fat off first then go for a bulk IMO. 15% would be a good % to hit. I see you are on a CKD diet so the lack of Carbs are really going to limit any muscle growth. BUT if you are just looking for fat loss AAS isn't even needed, that CKD diet will melt it off with some cardio.
Please keep doing research as well. Tons of info on this site.
Good advice on pinning.. I do 1" 25 G on glutes.. Rotate rotate rotate..
Hmm ok thanks alot bro!
Ill run standard beginner cycle.
The perfect pct is from AN. consisting of clomid 50mg nolvadex 20mg Aro 6.25mg per tablet.
Thanks for your pinning tip. i will follow it.
I have 2 questions. You said at my current bf not to run Var? At what bf would you recommend?
And i want to take advantage of the test...so maybe i should change my goals to recomp and do a standard clean maintenace diet. What you think?
One thing it is best to just run a single compound on first cycle. And also wait til you are close to single digit body fat to use that Var. Maybe your 3rd or 4th cycle would be a better time.
If you use that magnifying glass to research Anavar you will be able to find some posts that explain how it is best used and why.
Well here is the thing. The purpose of running AAS early on is to add muscle. So even maintenance diet you might be disappointed. I just got through a simple Test E/Prop cycle. Started at 205lbs and got up to 225. (sometimes would weigh in over 230 when I was holding water). My BF 10% stayed about the same BUT I look a lot more cut with the extra mass. The purpose of doing a cut cycle with AAS assistance is to limit muscle loss while taking BF% low(pros go to 4%). So that's why I say lose BF natty and then add muscle with AAS IF that's your goal to add muscle with a lower BF%. But if you just want to lose fat that CKD diet is all you need. No reason to spend the money and go through the trouble of running gear just to lose fat especially at your age. And that goes double for the Var cause that stuff is expensive.
EDIT:
Delete source info. It is an acronym but still technically breaks the rules of no source talk.
As far as the PCT goes it would be
wks 15-18
2/2/1/1 (tabs ED)
Im going to cut with diet to 15%
Ok thanks bro!