Bulk Cycle
Hey, Let me know what you think about this cycle. I am a couple weeks in right now. I am injecting M/W/F (HGH once per day). I'm running this as a bulking cycle. The GW and Metformin are very effective in keeping my body fat down even though I know Metformin is anti-catabolic. My bodyfat is already too high at around 16%. I'm 51yo, 220 pounds, 6' 1' tall. I'm trying to use these compounds to gain as much muscle as possible without blowing up with fat or water retention. My cycle history is first a test cycle. Then a test and Anavar (with some Winstrol during the last 4 weeks). After that I tried most of the different sarms with a TRT test base. I tried them one at a time just to see what works. Depending on how I feel (effectiveness and side effects) I'd probably run this for around 18 weeks. I will most likely only run the Dbol for 8-ish weeks. I might substitute with Anavar or YK-11.
- Test Cyp. 600mgl/wk
- NPP 450mg/wk
- Dbol 40mg/day
- Proviron 50mg/day
- UGL HGH 2iu/day
- GW-501516 20mg/day
- Metformin 1000 mg/day
- Anestrozol 2 pills per week 1mg each (more if needed)
- Caber on hand just in case
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I may be a little late to the party but here is my 2 cents on what you are doing. I think you are fighting an uphill battle when trying to do a successful bulk starting out with higher bodyfat. You will just end up with more fat vs muscle when you are finished. Your nutrient partitioning starts to get out of whack when the bodyfat creeps up. This may explain it a little bit more. Drop some fat first before doing a bulk if you really want to get the most muscle gain.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/scientific-proof-lower...
I get what you are trying to do with the Met and GW. It sounds good on paper but doesn't translate well in the real world. I wouldn't bother with either of those compounds. You are just chasing your tail and not really going to get to where you want thinking you can control your BF% with those compounds on a bulk. You need to be in a calorie surplus when bulking and some fat gain is inevitable and those compounds aren't going to help you like you think they will.
That is what appears to be your goal (pretty much everyone's goal). Here is the best approach for that. Drop your body fat before trying to do a bulk. I already explained why. So for this cycle I would go for more of cut/recomp to drop alot of bodyfat and potentially gain a little bit of muscle. This is going to be mostly diet with the AAS used to maximize muscle retention while in a slight calorie deficit. I think by dropping the bodyfat you will be pretty surprised at how you look especially if you use some compounds to harden up at the end. It is amazing how you can look 15 pounds heavier by dropping 10 pounds of fat. Now is when I would plan for your next cycle to be bulker. Bulking doesn't mean getting fat, it means putting on the maximum amount of muscle while minimizing the fat gain. Use a cyclic bulking approach with your diet to do that. and you will be leaps and bounds ahead of where you are going now the way you have it planned out. If interested we can talk about it more.
Mak
Thank you for the response Makwa.
I'm 3 weeks in the cycle I was calling a "bulk". In reality the metformin messes up my appetite which has made it hard to eat the calories I had planned. I have noticed some water retention. It's about 10 pounds. Nothing in my face but generally all over my body. This water retention has seemed to stabilize as in it hasn't gotten worse. I'd say this is more of a recomp. I'm still not in the position to really bulk as I'm too worried about gaining weight.
So based on advice from here and elsewhere I've dropped the metformin and GW. I'm also going to only run the Dbol another week. Hopefully that will help out with the water retention and appetite moving forward. So far I really like the muscle and strength I've gained. I'm hoping that continues with the Test and NPP.
After this I will cut. Mainly the focus for that will be cardio and diet. Any gear I take would be like you say more as a means to partition my nutrients. So maybe test, GW and Anavar.
Thanks again for the comment. I am interested in talking more especially about the cyclic bulking, carb cycling and nutrient partitioning.
AnonHey brother, in my opinion, the water retention you have noticed after only 3 weeks on cycle is mostly from the 40mg of Dbol a day. And I think you're good to drop it now if you want, after 3 weeks that 600mg of Test C a week should be kicking in. The Test C wont reach peak stable levels until about 6 weeks but it's making a difference by week 3.
Molinin302Solid advice
Alot of good stuff these guys are telling u.. Not sure what ur true goal is with this bulking cycle, other than not wanting too much fat and water... Im also guessing ur eating a clean healthy surplus diet. U are what u eat. I personally have minimum water retention running my test alot lower with my nor and taking water away pills while on hgh. Get rid of all the other stuff... Props on having caber..
RustyhookerNo gym for a year so ya...im old and fat
Bulker cutter combos do not work at your level. Pick a route
Molinin302+1 and respect. There's a lot of air under that wing though my bro... and put the Bible back in the drawer when you're done standing on it. Heathen!
RustyhookerSnaps! Two bibles and my sneakers. Cant reach a thing in here. Haaa
Molinin302Lol
Thats what's up.. Put Up or Shut Up!!! I think we all know u not gonna shut up.. Last time I seen ur pic was during the ebc. Keep doin what u do brother..
RustyhookerBeen here helping for over a decade. 5ft 4 and will be posting vid of pressing 425 for reps in near future. Nit even close to my PR but its fun! Theres always gonna be some 3 cycle newb on here cosigning. Its just part of online experience. Ill still just be me....lol
High five
trash300My honest opinion, UGL 2IU HGH, is wasted money, you can pin 2IUs Hum***** or Ge***** but UGL, I don't know.
Metformin 1000 ed , why?
(It should not mean that all UGLs are bad!)
The most critical part of cycle whether your bulking or cutting is diet. So you should post that snd get feedback on that. First. As for the compounds d-Bol is going is one of the worst for water retention.
Now onto to another matter. I am still a newbie to this community’s and to Gear in general, but what little knowledge of do have I have learned from with Rusty or Mol. Some of if directed at me on my posts but the majority of it from comments i read by either of them using the search bar. both have a wealth of knowledge. They have different ways of presenting the information but both get there message across. IMHO what makes this site great is the differences among us snd the ability to respect each other and learn from one another despite those differences. We’re all here to better ourselves physically and I hope mentally and emotionally as wel and the best way to do that is to focus on the positive and beneficial aspects of others comments instead of perhaps getting too caught in up some of the other perceived negative parts.
Just my 2 cents
Big group hug!! No homo..
AnonI have pretty low body fat at all times. I ran dbol to kickstart a cycle before. I ran dbol at 40mg a day (20mg morning/20mg afternoon) for 4 weeks and the gains and water weight came real fast. If I wore tight socks there was some ankle swelling around the top of the sock. Moon face a bit. Abs less defined...
I think dbol is not a good idea for your personal fitness goals, sir.
Thanks bud. Based on what I’m reading here I will not be running it long.
RustyhookerMy bodyfat is already too high at around 16%. I'm 51yo, 220 pounds, 6' 1' tall. I'm trying to use these compounds to gain as much muscle as possible without blowing up with fat or water retention
Bad chem choices. Npp is not 3x a week. Dbol bad....
Shoulda posted prior to start. Simple test...var last 6 weeks and MEGA cardio at anaerobic heart rate. Cycle carbs.
Yes I already started but I can stop it if I don't like what it's doing to my body. Based off what I've learned about NPP and Dbol the water retention isn't as bad with a low carb diet. Also, I am hoping to get the joint and strength effects. But if this was a bad choice I will stop. I really like Anavar a lot so maybe I'll get rid of the Dbol. You know how it is. You're reading and hearing about these compounds and their amazing effects and you pull the trigger. Some people love NPP and get great results from it. Honestly I thought the quantity I'm taking was reasonable. Not a full on blast but enough to get great results. Basically you guys are saying otherwise. I'll figure it out.
Rustyhooker600/450 youre gonna gain water...bp goes up. Add dbol...you gain wster and bp goes up. Add in the full chemistry lab and youre wsy over your head.
Theres no such thing as bulker cutter. What you designed was full loss of both and health concerbs plus aggrivation. Pick ONE route
Really your relpy sounds like youre gonna for it regardless. Yolo!!!
Things to know before start by nationals winner
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-mas...
This is given a lean start....^^^^^
Like i said. I’ve gained water but about as much as i usually do with test. My face isn’t bloated but if things get sloppy I’ll stop. Who said anything about bulker cutter? Just because I’m considering this a “bulk” doesn’t mean I want to get more fat. I’m eating more calories but I’m still trying to keep it healthy and reasonable. I know gear isn’t for fat loss.
Pick one route? I pick bulk which is obvious by the test, dbol and npp. The small amount of metformin is to help me not gain as much fat even though I’m eating more overall calories. I’m also hoping it helps with insulin sensitivity since I’m taking the hgh. The GW was cancer causing in rats who they shot up with ridiculous amounts. 20mg of GW isn’t a lot. Plus I’m not taking it year around. Anyways, when experimenting with sarms I found GW really cuts the fat I store and gives me energy without taking any of my gains. Why wouldn’t I use it? Whenever I post you shit on it anyway.
The three main compounds of my cycle are bulking compounds. Yeah I’m also taking two other things in small doses just to help not gain so much fat in my bulk. Per the article you sent I could envision bulking 12 weeks then finishing with a mini-cut. Most likely I’ll run things short on the bulk because I can’t handle getting fatter and hate feeling large and lethargic.
RustyhookerI pick bulk..... I can’t handle getting fatter and hate feeling large and lethargic.
And simply dropping down to sub 12% will have you looking visably LARGER which then would be.....a cutter. Hate feeling large is mass/bulk.
Go read makwas post as he won nationals. I guarantee youre gonna chase your tail when 1 direction would have you full teef smiles.
I read it. Thank you for passing that along.
Thank you for the advice. Based on past cycles Test at 600 is a good sweet spot for me. Dbol at 40mg/day and NPP at 450mg/wk didn't seem high to me based on what I'm reading and hearing but I'm sure you guys have experience here. This is the first time I've used Dbol and NPP. If I start retaining water I will definitely cut the Dbol and NPP. I might cut it in half anyway based on your comments. So far I am not retaining much more water then I do normally with just the test. Yeah I know being over 50 I need to be careful. I didn't realize these amounts are so high.
Regarding your diet comments I agree it's important. My diet is okay in terms of low carbs. I could definitely add more protein. My journey has taken me from a complete fat ass up to 300 pounds in my 40's to in decent shape and 220 pounds. Side note my weight loss was around 5 years ago before I started gear or regularly lifting again. It was cardio and diet.
Also, I got the blood work done last month and will check it again during the cycle. So far all my levels have been okay with the exception of hematocrit levels being high on my last cycle. They came down after my PCT. Cholesterol and blood pressure haven't ever been a problem for me. I'll keep an eye on that.
Thanks for reading and commenting on my post.
Why you taking all these chemicals?? Way to much....you need to focus on your food selection/timing first.
IF your body fat is a priority just focus on the food/diet!! I am also 51 years old, 230lbs and 6'1".
Consistent cardio...walking on a treadmill, 400mg test, 400 NPP, Nolvadex 20 mg day, HGH is OK but watch your insulin resistance it will change for the worse with extended use. Avoid the Anastrozole if possible, as it screws up lipid profile in many people. Over 50 we have to watch that shit!
Less drugs..more disciplined diet/cardio/resistance training..just my two cents.
Molinin302^^^^
Couple things
1. Gw and Metformin aren’t cures for body fat, they just help with insulin sensitivity.
2. Gw has been linked to cancer
3. Metformin was recently recalled for being linked to causing cancer
4. Dbol at 40mg a day is high as shit, your poor liver, blood pressure, and lipids.
5. Why do you need Proviron, your free test will be high as fuck. (Someone correct me if my logic is off)
6. Stop taking things to cut fat, just fix your diet
7. This cycle is water retention heaven
8. Why did you go from basically higher test and an oral, to an all out assault on your organs.
9. You’re 51 years old, not saying an older guy can’t run a cycle but you do realize you’re at a higher risk for all the side effects having drastic results
Molinin302On the right track, but... I'd dial everything back a little as far as dosages. You and I are roughly same age and size, BF is a little higher on your end but you're realizing that, so respect for that. Even though I never had any issues on with my bloodwork, I put Dbol on the shelf. Stay with the anavar, and not for that duration. Just back it all off a little, you're considering a pretty good amount of drugs when there's still diet improvements to be made. Make sure you stay on top of the BP, probably drop the sarm... its just too much. Best wishes my guy.
Edit- thats a lot of A.I.
RustyhookerWhich part was on track? I see a full blown shitshow.
Molinin302We've seen much more unreasonable planned out cycles. Its not his first run (assuming he's being open which i think he is). Its not terrible, its just too much. Having knowledge comes responsibility and understanding. Understanding meaning some comments will just throw people off and keep them on their original track. Original bad track. Help the guy, he's off, but he's not way off. Help him Russ, he needs it.
RustyhookerYou cosigned a bullshit routine. Fact. You know a combo cutter bulker never works. But hey, lets add in every chem in the drawer. Lol! Cmon man...
Heres a fun read. Real talk
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/worst-cycles-of-...
Molinin302Lets sed your physique you know, a piece of paper with the date and "rustyhooker". You won't and can't. You were a laughing stock while you were gone and still are. Seraquol or lithium. And stay on it this time.
. If a person's physique will be a base of their experience and character then I wouldn't listen to 90% of the people here. I don't give a shit if rusty had 3 stomachs and looked like an orangutang he offers sound advice 95% of the time. Noone likes him because he calls people out on their bullshit but you can bet your ass he will be humble when he's called out. I don't understand why attacking someone's body makes any difference. The richest guys in the world are out of shape balding fucks.the most accomplished scientists and doctors never lifted a weight in their life. You know better than that.
Molinin302Nothing but respect Mack, you know that. But would you go to a dentist with bad teeth? No matter the google reviews, its just not a good look when its time for service right? Presentation counts.
RustyhookerAnd folks wonder why im the last vet standin.....youre proof.
I thought it was because you’re closer to the ground. Lol
RustyhookerIm a real knee biter too! Your hair smells nice today....lmao
Molinin302Current physique Danny Trejo. France stood strong for 1300 years before she fell. You ain't France lol. Just do it, I'm sure people are curious by now. Just do it. I told you I personally don't judge. I'll give karma.
You know Molin, Mack made a good point, it’s really not about what people look like, it what people know. I’ve met some of the top trainers today, Charles Glass, Hany Rambod, Dennis James, Chris Cormier, Chris Aceto, Neil Hill, Milos Sarcev and one thing that I know is that each of these guys are very proven in their knowledge and craft but each had varying degrees in term of their peak physique. Hany is arguably the most accomplished one but truthfully he had arguably the worst physique. I understand your argument with a dentist but my counter to that is this, in sports genetics trump everything. Almost all basketball and football coaches never reached the same level of success their teams have as when they were players. Knowledge and talent don’t have to correlate. I think I have some good body parts but I only give advice on the most basic stuff, mainly because I know I lack a certain level of upper tier knowledge vets have.
RustyhookerSince you got here with your newest name, all youve given is cosigns, reacharounds and a good swallow.
Go wipe your upper lip and manhole cover
Molinin302Same name since I've gotten on. I've been bloated, I've had reactions, I've shared. I've given advice thats staying within my lane of knowledge and experience. My current profile pic reflects my 15% of so BF at 6'1" 230lbs. Youre still dodging it. Let's see ya. Pull down the Trejo pic, put yourself out there. Would i take my car to a mechanic that drives an '84 Datsun. Just stop man. I'm going to. No need to argue. And you won't post a pic. Post one from 5 years ago, my moey says its still less than great. You're toxic and bad for business. Period.
I’m glad someone said it. Years ago Sam I am challenged him to put up a pic and he wouldn’t do it because he looks horrible, but with all the knowledge he has you’d think he looks like a Greek god! Do you remember the EBC cutter challenge a little while ago? Rusty started it at probably 30% or higher body fat and looking like a bag of milk and finished probably 28% and still looking like a bag of milk!! Theres a reason he deleted those pictures off his profile. Guy can’t even practice what he preaches.
RustyhookerMy pix posted....you? Ya i negged you
You're way higher than fifteen percent, more like twenty. Also, OP is 51 and still trying to get huge, epic fails everywhere.
Molinin302At least Rusty is a member of the 200lb+ club. Grab your fork and bcaa shake little fella. Eat something, unless you're getting ready for a show. Which I doubt... I respect Rusty, don't get it twisted, just saying he's a dick. Stick around a while before you form quick opinions. Peace
Bodybuilding isn't about how much you weigh, and you look terrible.
Molinin302Terrible huh? Put up a profile pic or close your hole. I mean this in the nicest way possible.
I never claimed to look good, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Molinin302Then get off the soapbox and give it back to Rusty, he can't reach the cereal box this morning.
Edit: I accidentally posted the same reply twice. The guy below has a really good physique at under 200 lbs, he knows what's up!
Not everyone wants to get huge when it comes to taking gear. Shred777 is 6’2 and 190ish, but it’s because he chooses that. Why do you keep attacking peoples bodies? If someone really wanted to look just huge we can blast our faces off until we get there. When someone is a certain body weight it just tells me their simply at one point in their journey. Dude is 5’8 and 185 at 29 years old. If he adds an average of 7 pounds per year, which isn’t crazy, for the next decade, he’d be 255lbs at 39 years old, which is beastly. This shit is a marathon. You talk about being nice to people will help them but then you lash out once someone has a differing opinion and telling them things like gain weight. That’s a dangerous road because we can all force change if we sacrifice health.