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Bulk and than cut. Need help?

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This will be my third cycle. Im 33 yrs old 5/10 190lbs 15% BF
My first cycle was bulking cycle I gained 18 lbs and kept 12 lbs after pct. I stopped gaining around week 8.
1-2 weeks Dbol 25 mg/ed
1-12 weeks Sustanon 250 500 mg / week X2 shots per week
2-12 HCG 500 iu per week
15-19 weeks PCT Clomid 100/50/50/50 and nolva 20/20/20/20

Second cycle was a complete failure the gear that i had gave my really bad pip and made my legs hurt.I was going for 12 week bulking cycle but decided to give up on week 4. Plus i got mild acne after 4th week. And it was ugl gear. Did not gain shit.
1-4 weeks test e 600 mg per week 300 mg injections 2X per week
1-4 deca 400 mg per week 200 mg injections 2X per week

Now this is what i want to do for my third cycle. Has anyone run a cycle like this. i can use some good advice. What would you do.
1-4 weeks D-bol 20 mg day.
1-8 test e 500 mg per week 2X injections per week.
5-12 Tren ace 50 mg eod
9-12 Test prop 100 mg eod My concerns are switching the tests from test e to test prop at week 8 because of stable blood levels. would this be ok and if not what would be a better cycle and how would you run it . I have Nolva clomid letrozole arimidex hcg and caber on hand. im going to do pct same as first cycle but i will add some caber when i start the tren. I have some really good gear now thanks to e roids reviews. i have alot of test e test prop tren ace sustanon 250 and some eq and b-dol i stocked up for the summer lol What would you do? does this cycle sound good or not my goals are to lean bulk. 10 lbs solid and lose body fat.

123man's picture

you both might be right i might have to run a test e cycle with d bol kicker i blew up off just two weeks of d bol last time the stuff is amazing.

The Impastable's picture

Run a simple test e cycle. You're wasting the test e if you run it for 8 weeks. Run it for 12. Also, lose the tren. This is by all means your second cycle and you are not ready.

Also, either decide on a bulk or a cut, Not both. I think you should go back to the drawing board and clean this up, make it simple test e for 12 weeks with either a dbol kicker or prop kicker.

123man's picture

Sounds good im gonna do 12 week test e with d bol kicker keep it simple.

irongame427's picture

Ya cutting and bulking in the same cycle never worked for me. Mediocre results at best for both goals.

You can lose bf while gaining muscle if you have a good diet. So at the end if you do it right youll have more muscle and less fat.

alloneword's picture

Diet will determine if you bulk w/out fat gain. You can accomplish a lean bulk with out adding tren or complicating things.
Just run a simple test E cycle for 12 weeks. An hour of steady state cardio a day and a diet that's dialed in will help you stay lean and lose BF% while you lift for the GAINZZZZ.
Seriously though, I like to keep it simple. Dbol is probably a bad choice for a lean bulk. If you have the prop on hand maybe prop kicker into your test only cycle to get things off the ground quickly.

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