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I’m 27, 5’6”, 175 lbs. 12% body fat. I eat around 200grams of protein a day through 3-5 meals and a pre/post workout shake along with cliff builders bars. I use muscle pharm combat powder, amino fuel 3x daily, creacore 3scoops daily, and myobuild 2scoops daily post workout. I was talked out of a cycle 5 years ago by an acquaintance who ran a few cycles very successfully. I got lucky there. 2 years ago I shredded my right labrum during a seizure and fell off hard. I’m now at 99% mobility and have no issues with the shoulder even after intense lifting. First and foremost, I have made my decision but I like old school guidance as I’m as rookie as one gets. Before I continue my hw on a beginners cycle which would look like this, I’m looking for a direction to go in whether it be different gear or none at all
-week 1-12 test e 500mg split doses 250g
Arimidex on hand for estrogen issues
PCT - 14 days post last injection
Week 1 nolvadex 40mg /Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 “. “
Week 3 nolvadex 20mg / clomid 50 mg
Week 4. “. “
My goal is 10-20lbs in lean gains, up my strength etc etc but I’d like to keep it simple.
I don’t know if I’ll keep running cycles but I want to start somewhere and reasonably to gauge my bodies reaction and see if cycles are suitable for me.
Also could I do an oral only cycle? The articles summarily say it’s not worth it and the gains don’t stick around long. Well I just answered that last part.
Let me have it- be brutal.
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Im gonna tweak the diet, lift hard n see how that goes for a while. Thanks for the advice gentleman.
So bump it up to 260 grams protein daily? How long should I run like this before I consider the blood work and test cycle? How much of that should be carbs? Or where can I find this diet info as I thought I had a good diet in place, and could i just tweak that example I threw out to make 260g protein daily or do I need to start from scratch. Ive adjusted The supps by stopping myobuild. I only did 1 shake today and I don’t feel nearly as good as when I do a pre and post. So I’ll be back to 2 tomorrow. And much respect to everyone whose commented just throw in advice or direction where you see fit. There’s a shitload of info and the more I read the more intriguing a cycle sounds. It’s definitely Russian roulette with your endocrine system but with the right intel this is definitely a well placed gamble.
I used a popular intake calculator and based on you stats in order to gain you need to take in 2800 calories.In a 40/40/20 breakdown it would be 281 grams of protein and 281 grams of carbs and 63 grams of fat.Try to get most of you calories from complete proteins like eggs meat and milk and you carbs should come from slow sources except after a workout when you want an insulin response.Good luck!
Note I'm not a diet expert.This is a beginner macrobiotic format and can be tweeked to suite your needs.Research Makwas and catalyst diet post and learn as much as you can.
Thanks for the numbers and direction manshit. I’m using fitness tracker for my meals. Shooting for 3k Cals today pulling my meals from the posts and I’ll know my macros this evening to fine tune.
I wouldn’t worry about limiting yourself to x shakes a day. The point is to get most of your protein from whole food. We all have a shake or two to help hit our daily goals, but I try to get around 80% at least from whole food.
For instance I’m eating 300g of protein a day right now and only 46 of that is from powders or bars. That’s only 15% daily from supplemental protein. Eat more meat. Drink more milk. Blah blah blah
I’m far from a diet expert but this is what I do.
1.5g of protein per lb of body weight.
.5g of fat per lb of body weight
The rest is carbs. And I Adjust them for cutting or bulking calories. I might up the protein and fat a little more if I’m cutting.
You shouldn’t get detailed diet advice from me though. Hit the diet section of the forum where the experts are or the diet clinic sticky that catalyst runs: https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
The test isn’t going anywhere. Get a little more outta your diet first. You’ll get a better payoff in the long run.
I only saw half of your comment at first. Thanks much bro that is great advice. I’m gonna hit that forum n like I said above tweak the diet n lift hard as fuck for a few months. And mad props on that diet, that sounds gnarly. That post made the difference man.
Glad I could help, but remember what works for me might not be as good for you. It’s a good starting point though. Like I said tho I’m far from a diet expert so those guys can help you out better. Good luck boss
Rustyhooker^^^^^ pwo whey, post workout whey and if ya got the cash.... casein before bed. Simply as fast suppliment in the whey. Casien to stay positive at night.
Key word.... suppliment.
Do I drop the combat powder n restock on pwo whey and post whey? Or can I continue using combat for post and just get a pwo whey. Casein- done. Thanks man
Combat is a blend with mostly whey from what I remember. Finish it out, but check out labdoor.com for brands that are rated higher in quality and label accuracy. I used combat for a while until I saw labdoor Test it. Not that it’s bad, but there are better for less $
sp I did some homework on labdoor. I ordered muscle feast creapure, legion pulse, and myprotein iso: iso 97. Dam near outta combat powder. Ima miss that cookies n cream. Im still tweaking the diet to hit 4K calories today and am logging my stuff so I’ll know my macros this evening. I’m just fishing through these threads and pulling diet ideas from all of it. So much shit, it’s heaven. I’m only gonna be running those three powders along with amino fuel by Friday. Much appreciation on input. My only question is if that diet thread you posted is still active or if I should pm someone. Correction 3k calories
Good shit man. It should be active if you post in it. Catalyst will get a notification, plus it'll raise to the top of the stickies. Someone will get ya for sure. Good luck
You know bro . I read your intake of supplements and protein, and you are 175lbs but I didn’t read anything about carbs or calories, they are important more than protein if you want to add size bro . You should arrange your food first then the supplements to support your food , not the food support your supplements.
So today I ran through 3k calories with 63% of the gross being carbs. I plug all my stuff into an app not to be a dousche but it works.
RustyhookerIf you knew all this without folks trying to help.... then why am i 2 inches shorter and 40 pounds bigger?
Folks tried to help so dont piss on them bruh. Your origional diet sucked ass.
Rustyhooker I got mad respect for you. I meant no insults as I’m sure your advice is gonna save my ass at some point. It’s already paid off as I am checking out casein and pwo whey/post whey now. Thanks I meant to aim no piss in your direction bro. I’m just seeking advice, if what I did worked I wouldn’t be here. I know my game is bad. I’ve posted on the diet thread DfromPhilly sent me too. I’m taking the advice that’s given. Dish it out and expect no piss boss. Much appreciation
RustyhookerNo worries. Just wanna see you come back rocked out bro. Learning all this is a lot. Im learning daily and using it to adjust my thinking as well.
High five!
Ya know a year ago I'd of jumped on this and said yeh throw some Dbol in initially also for the first 4 weeks to kickstart it all or maybe even some prop until the Test E kicks in. Now I realise that what all these experienced guys are saying is right - leave it as a test only cycle (and defo don't bother with an oral only cycle) for the first run and see how you respond to that first and in all honesty after being on natural test levels for so long long you'll start to feel results after only a fortnight anyway on 500mg/wk I feel.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/are-you-ready...
Start here, then go up to the top of your page, clivk the blue arrow, select community, then forums, then steroid cycles. There arr stickies up top like this one i linked that will help you get in the right direction. Before you use any aas make sure you completely understand every aspect of it. You will do yourself a disservice if you dont.
i have nolvadex and clomid in the PCT, so I’m going off a specific article here that says run 1 compound your first cycle. So no arimidex on hand during cycle for gyno, instead Take nolvadex during the cycle like EOD? What dose do you reccomend? Would I start that with the first pin or wait a certain amount of time post pin to see how it progresses. And before I start anything I’d get a blood and throw the results up here for feedback and I’d get a test every week if necessary. Any advice welcome
Adex, I haven’t seen anything about adex plans in the articles I’ve read. Could you point me in a direction?
RustyhookerDropdowns.... community.... groups.... first cycles explained.
Read everything twice....
So I eat 3-5 real meals a day. Ex.typical day 1 serving liquid amino fuel followed by Breakfast 3-5 eggs cup diced ham/oatmeal/bagel w a drip honey
Lunch- chicken breast/ rice 1 scoop creacore
1 scoop combat powder/ banana/ 1/4 cup oatmeal
1Cup milk/ 1 serving amino fuel
Gym
Post- Same shake as above. 2 scoops creacore
Typically two scoops of myobuild but I ran out yesterday
Dinner - steak, rice, cauliflower,
Pre-crash- protein bar, serving of amino fuel
Shit varies by day but same concept daily. So kill everything but post shake?
And is that diet example that shitty in terms of real foods?
What are bloods- blood tests?
I’m just doing my hw, nothing purchased no commitments made.
RustyhookerYour powder food bs is not good. Post workout for a quick charge of protein, followed 20 mins later with a meal...sure. But to think youre doing great at 200mg isnt correct.
No bloods? Youre such the pro that its not needed?
No adex plan?
Overall, youd best get a food guru and macros figured out first. Real foods.
I agree he needs to get to at least 260 grams of protein and that's just for starters.If he gets his diet correct probably doesn't need that much test.IMO