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Hey guys here a question about cutting on HGH really, except times of high heart rate the body will be hormonally geared to burn fat over carbs, by keeping carbs around the workout to repair what was used during the workout, which I am assuming would be a mix of proteins and carbs based on the heart rate, so once the heart rate returns to a bmp where it can oxidize fat would any other protein be needed to not lose muscle while being in a calorie deficit, logically I would say no because the body should be burning lots of fat, if dieting on a safe 1200 calories around an hour workout, would there be a need to bump calories to 1600 and add protein back to 300g, I can't decide but might add winstrol to make up the difference, 20mg E12 hours
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i dont get your logic, cutting isnt a mystery, eat clean, keep calories a couple 100kcals below TDEE and keep protein high and nitrogen balance positive like makwa said. eat every couple hours, count your carbs, or cycle them, keep enough healthy fats in. theres not really much more too it, hgh or not. and using hgh to cut is an expensive and pretty un-efficiant way to go about cutting. hgh, if you are a bodybuilder at least, should be used for hyperplasmia. thats the only thing hgh does that cant be obtained through other ways, other than real igf-1. any other goal you are trying to achieve can be obtained wayyyyy cheaper through diet, AAS, and other cutting agents like ephendrine or clen.
winstrol is a shit drug, plain and simple. its outdated, and a useless ananbolic. anything winstrol can do anavar, tren, or masteron can do wayyyy better and you can still actually move weight without hearing your bones ache every time you pick up a dumbell
Donjoegains1) I don't understand the positive nitrogen balance, why exactly do I need to eat protein daily, I'll have a 24 hour release of igf1 + the benefits of skin replenish and the benefits of the body using fat before carbs, I'm not seeing why I even need to eat protein if the muscle I have now is already filled with enough
2) my logic is that if all meals are consumed in a 3 hour period I will have zero insulin sensitivity for 21 hours which would result in about 2000-2500 calories of pure stored body fat daily, this brings me back to the protein, I'm going to either do 400g or 300g with 150g carbs, I don't think I could burn through more then 150g carbs during an hour workout, the rest of the day I'll stay full because of hgh, still highly confused on the protein aspect to this lol
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DonjoegainsPlease point out all flaws in my logic lol growth hormone will allow me to use fat glycogen before muscle glycogen, I don't see what about this is off
the igf-1 release from hgh will prevent insulin from converting carbs into glucose therefore using stored fat for energy, but approaching that small fact about hgh and designing an absurd protocol around that, doesnt mean you can end up on the other end of a diet, dieting at 1800kcals with eating protein for only 3 hours of the day and achieve the goal youre looking for.... youll be out of alot of money from the gh and will look like shit from basically starving yourself AND by not providing your muscles constant protein to build and repair themselves, simple. that seems pretty obvious but apparently not lol
DonjoegainsDoes that mean muscle glycogen cannot be replenished while on GH ? My plan is 6 meals each 2-3 hours apart with 50p, and to have 50 carbs intra and 50 carbs post workout. That's only 1600 calories, adding carbs seems unproductive because of the insulin sensitivity from GH. Adding fat won't effect thyroids levels so it seems like HGH is best used with T4 at 100mcg while going keto and low carb in terms of the fastest fat loss possible
if you are spending a bunch of money on GH, use it to its potential. eat more!!! gh promotes protein synthesis, it allows you to eat more food and those nutrients will be better utilized for muscle growth. exactly, igf-1 release in response to gh inj inhibits insulin from stroing carbs as glucose. why not take advantage of that and increase your calories into a surplus and actually benefit from the expensive gh? if youre simply cutting, it can be done just through diet manipulation like i stated before. and also, if your gh is legit and pharma garde it should make you able to eat more, in that you will have the appetite to eat much more. and, you do realize you will be above 1600kcals because of fat right? each gram of fat is 9 calories.
weighing 220lbs at 5'7" and you dont have a grasp on how this works yet, im making the assumption your bf% is too high. in the higher teens would be my guess. simply getting your diet down will save alot of money and scar tissue. save the hormones for when your lower in bf%, they will work better. a rough estimate, if you are active is, you burn about 18cals / lb of BW per day (rough estimate) so thats roughly for maintenance is around 3900kcals. reduce that by about 500cals/day to be aggressive for cutting. and then every week or two reduce calories to fit new BW macros. that should net you ~about 1lb of bodyfat per week. since to burn 1lb of fat is 3500cals. this approach will make you look alot better at the end then yours, believe me. proteins: eggwhites, fish (tilapia) chicken, steak here and there / carbs: oats, whole wheat products (pasta, cereal) sweet potatoes, brown rice ect. sugars (if needed post workout) pineapple! fruits, dextrose if need be.. / fats: fish oil, coconut oil, almonds, olive oil... mix and match these food sources to meet your macros.
there i helped as much as i could. either absorb what i told you or continue your <2000kcal diet plan and end up skinny fat and yo-yoing in weight from not being able to handle eating so little and going into starvation mode... thats all i can do
DonjoegainsBam, best reply here. You're absolutely right, I could be eating 3000 calories and growing while losing body fat from HGH. At 3000 calories I would still be losing the same 3-5lbs of fat per week. Increasing carbs around my workout would allow me to grow and lean out. For week 1 I plan to do 350p 300c 50f (EFA's). Thats about 3000 calories. I should drop 3-5 lbs of fat while putting on some lean muscle tissue in the mean time. Everything is beginning to click. And I can most likely continue to increase my calories while I'm leaning out lol You have saved me money and time, I am very grateful for you taking the time to respond to me every time, even as the things I say make less and less sense
Unless you have the funds to run gh indefinitely or for long extended periods of time (6months-year) I'd save it for when you bulk. Diet down natty or with some test using diet to cut. And then when your sub 10%bf then add in gh and increases calories to around 4400kcals and get bigger. The gh will help build muscle burning your bulk and at the same time limit the amount of body fat you out on. Using it now will be still a waste because you won't be utilizing it to its full potential. Just my .02
DonjoegainsIt has to be hard saying the same thing over and over in different ways hoping that some small part of it gets retained inside my brain lol I appreciate that, when I grow up I want to set kids straight on here, I learned so much from you guys over the 11 diff accounts I've had to open lol anyway, I'm not looking for a flame here, my cycle will be 500mg test e, 1mg CJC E4D. The calories will set at 3100: 400p 300c 30f. Carbs will be 175 grams pre workout, 50 grams intra workout, 75 grams post workout. Fats will be added to meal 6: 1 T fish oil, 1 T olive oil. The goals is lean out. In addition to that. I'm going to do a 2 day on 2 day off blast with 400mcg T4 and 150mcg T3. I will post pics after the cycle for everyone to see.
I do want to stay lean with abs after this cut, and am looking for a coach to help through text and emails using body pics as a reference. I want to stay on HGH and run a blast post cut. I will surely post my cycle ideas and see what you guys think. But I do want to pay someone to monitor me yearly. If you or anyone reading this knows anyone or wants to please comment or message me.
PS - the beard gains post is not a troll post
Shit then, you can send me a check for 500$ every month and I'll just keep copy/pasting the same info I've been repeating. We got a deal? Lmao troll, smh
That's where the neg came from FYI
X2............ its that same prick that was posting this shit last week.
Longdave555................. i have no doubt........ i just gave him a TROLL tag............. FOR FREE.
DonjoegainsIt was just a joke :( .. can I have my point back ?
This statement along demonstrates that you're an utter idiot deserving of a red box with a minus figure in it. I doubt you were joking, but frankly I don't care.
DonjoegainsIdk why you're bashing that idea, thats straight from a contest prep protocol. Also, from personal experience I've lost 50lbs in 5 weeks with T3. The problem was I was not on growth and too much muscle was being lost at equal portions. Will you give me points back when I post pics post cycle ? lol
Stop with the trolling fella. Some of these guys may have been naive enough to have played along, I'm not. You should spend the time in the gym.
AnonThank you
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkIs this stuff that Dr. Oz or that boston loyd or piana character are spewing out on facebook or something? Can't figure out where stuff like this is coming from.
From right there:
im fkn sure i know her
Tossed a few salads back in the day have you Vike? Lmao.
bucket list type stuff bro........... kinda shit you do on holidays to amuse the kids
ive swam with dolphins.... ive swam with sharks, and im fkn sure ive swam with that ass!
AnonLmfao.... You killed me with that one
I may be out west this spring, and the mrs. Pasta wants to go whale watching out there, so chances are I might see that ass myself... I'll see if she remembers you lmao
lmfao........... i owe you a pint of protein bro, i think that piccie is funny i stole it!
it now has pride of place as my laptop screen saver............ suze just clocked it before i logged on 10mins ago and went ballistic............ she thought i was on a fkn porn site hahahahaaa
Hahaha! Glad I could provide some entertainment! I'll take you up on that pint when I take a trip across the pond
DonjoegainsI don't understand how this doesn't make sense to anyone lol
Uhgg...that is kind of what I thought.
I'm confused here. Are you asking about the timing of consuming protein? I guess what I'll say here is that you want to stay in a positive nitrogen balance for as long as possible to help spare muscle during your diet. So you should be eating meals with protein spread throughout the day. Just eating protein around your workout isn't going to cut it.
DonjoegainsHere's my thought process, when my heart rate is between 80-110 bpm it should be using fat before carbs from the HGH, that makes me think that to maintain what I've already built I wouldn't need to eat carbs or protein except after before and after lifting, what I'm going to end up doing is 3 meals of 100p and 50c before during and after my lift, I feel like 50p 50c is pretty safe too for an hour workout, so thats 1800 calories which I will grow from while losing fat, my question is will the body have a need to use any stored protein for the remaining 21 hours of the day, I think protein would only be touched when the heart rate gets high enough where it starts using carbs and proteins
Good luck with that then.
DonjoegainsThanks, what's confusing me is how my nitrogen balance could lessen. Bear with me, If I eat 3 meals in a 3 hour period each with 50p 50c around my training that covers calories burned during my hour workout and enough to build off of my current muscle tissue, rather then burning through carbs and glycogen all day I'll be using stored body fat, that leaves 21 hours of fat loss at about 120-150 calories of fat per hour due to the steady release of HGH, where I get confused is here, what would cause my nitrogen balance to drop ?
And assuming muscle glycogen is 100% fully which it should be, what would happen if I consumed 75g of protein from meat every 3 hours for 3 meals outside of the workout, the protein would either add to the nitrogen balance, and if there's too much protein gluconeogensis would occur storying that as glycogen, but seeing as the glycogen stores are already full because the body is running off of fat, it seems that would result in spill over for no reason ..
I'm confused on how muscle nitrogen works, 150p 150c is only 1200 calories, 400p 150c by adding 3 more just protein meals 9 hours apart is only 2200 calories, with a metabolic rate of say 3000, that's about 2500 calories of pure fat burned from only eating 3 meals, versus around 1500 calories of pure fat assuming there is no insulin release from eating just meat, does it make more sense to keep insulin sensitivity to a 3 hour window followed by a fast OR to add protein every 3 hours for a daily 400g total and burn less stored body fat by almost 1000 calories possibly even more if insulin is released from meat
Again it comes back to I don't fully understand how nitrogen balances would drop, is it due to dieting or do daily amounts of protein need to be consumed to maintain a daily nitrogen balance ?
Can you help clear any of this up for me ?
It is pretty simple. You need a constant flux of protein in the body to stay in a positive nitrogen balance. The body doesn't store the protein you eat to be used later. So if you have 21 hr window with no protein being consumed, where does the body get the aminos it needs....it cababolizes your muscle tissue. That is why bodybuilders eat a meal with protein every 3 hrs so they have a constant flux of protein/amino acids to keep the body from catabolizing its own muscle tissue to acquire them.
DonjoegainsThank you, I'll regulate 400 grams of protein through the day by adding 3 meat meals
1.5-2g of protein/lb of bodyweight is plenty. I don't think you need 400g/d. You could replace some of that protein with carbs which should help with energy levels. Just be sure to spread your protein out with around 6 meals/day.
DonjoegainsThanks again, I don't think I need more carbs because my glycogen stores should remain untouched except while I'm lifting, can I ask a question, do you feel any s*** is needed to handle the 150 carbs I'm eating around my workout, I've read HGH will shut down it down, I've also read guys saying they have used HGH without it, the focus here is to shred, if could switch those carbs to low GI carbs and avoid s*** I would, I'm also not opposed to using it
Absolutely not needed. Stay away from that shit, it can easily kill you. Your body is sponge after working out so I wouldn't be worried about consuming 150g carbs after working out.
DonjoegainsAlright thank you, I'll skip the s*** for now
This^^^
To the OP try your way an let us know how it goes. When you fail come on back and take our advice. Or if by chance you happen to discover some hidden secret in your approach you can come back and throw it in all our faces..
DonjoegainsThank you, I'll keep my protocol the same add bring protein to 400g a day spread out
Lol ok guy, have fun with that
hunteron20sWhat is yiur height and weight ? 1200 cals for a 200 pound man is different thrn 1200 for a 170 pound man .cant say anything until you lay out macros sorry
DonjoegainsI'm 5'6 220lbs, I put my metabolic rate at 3000, 3 meals, pre, intra, post, 100p 50c should be enough to repair what I did lifting, then with HGH I should be set up to burn through around 2000-2500 calories of stored body fat, while growing from the spillover while lifting
What is your BF%?
Are you dieting on 1200 calories total... As in the entire daily total?
Donjoegains15% give or take, I think I'm going to bump it to 1800 spread over 3 meals, pre, intra and post each with 100p 50c, so yes 1800 for a daily total, but spillover should happen within that 3 hour meal window, so its kind of like dieting from 500 calories for the rest of the day