+ 10 Advising Virgins
Im not talking about telling them to bend over and grab their heels...
Im talking about first time steroid users. The point has been brought to fruition in the past days regarding the crazy cycles we have been seeing. Your on your 6th cycle, so you should be running 6 compounds - right?
I think the standard cycle you guys preach to first timers should be 250mg of Test for 10-12 weeks. Lets be honest here. Most of the people who are making the lunge to steroids have nowhere near the experience, training regime or anything that resembles a diet. Most users are far too young but will be taking the plunge anyways. With this being said, their muscle maturity isn't half developed, which means the cells used for "processing" the steroids aren't either. Users cells can be just as Immature, per se - as their age.
We advise people to start slow and low and get a feel for things. But if they start at 600mg a week, they're likely jacking their total testosterone levels up to 8-10x their natural production.. not very slow in my opinion. I can always guarantee at this rate, a few cycles deep and they'll be running 1+ grams of test. At the rate people cycle, age they start.. this is putting most at 1+G of Test before they reach 25 years of age.. think about it guys..
Start thinking outside the box rather than rattling off the generic first test cycle you memorized since its been posted thousands of times in the forum. There is definitely a better approach to the advice we give.
The first cycle I ran I put on 16 pounds running Test at 300mg a week.
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Great advice thank you.
U the man bro thanks for all the advice
IMO perfect cycle advise for those willing to listen! But like Hllwd said not in this world where so much more is easily available. And everyone is boasting about how "Tren Is The Shit!". I have had more guys as of late om me and want to start on tren just because of what they have read about it being so "Great".
I still believe that what you wrote needs to be written over and over here to stem the tide of ignorance! +2
i think some of you guys with higher karma should explain this to these guys i see posting there fist cycle in the cycle logs. i see finafan in there helping out but thats usually it. i think the message would be better heard by you guys. not to many come in each day it wouldn't take long.
Thanks for the mention. I have found if its 1 member or 10 telling a 18yr old guy he doesn't need 14 compound doesn't really matter. I have got maybe 10 people to stop or lower their doses and run cycle and at lower pace. I can not tell you how many time I have told someone they are crazy for there cycle. It is a real kick in the balls of your self esteem. I can understand why people have stopped doing it. A year ago we all did it. after a while you get burned out from people acting as if they know everything. It starts to feel like you are wasting your time. Also you do not get much karma doing it. Me I could careless but I could see how some karma lovers would avoid areas that do not get them more karma. I am on the cycle forums not because I want to tell people they are idiots but to read what people that know way more than me say. I am and always will be trying to learn. That's why I am hear. I will do what I can to help anyone. Just how I am.
Nicely said. I am glad to hear 10 listened though. I KNOW there are some morons throwing some pretty crazy cycles out there. They astound me with the number of compounds on there first cycle.
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Here is the craziest one I have ever seen and this guy gives out advice to other new members. http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/lean-bulk-1
When I said there was some crap advice being dished out, this was in the back of my mind.
Guy is lucky I am not a Mod. I would have banned him. We do not need stupid shit like that around here. We all make mistakes but that guy is off his fucking rocker.
I got pissed off just reading it! I really don't care about individuals that are insistent they know what they're doing and they're going to do it anyway. When someone who sets up a cycle like this starts telling others how to do it, that's when I get annoyed.
You did well to keep your cool Fin.
There's the cycle logs, then the cycles section in the forum. The two kind of run in tandem, but different people use the different sections. The problem with the logs is a few of us older heads used to spend a bit of time in there, it gets tiresome dealing with the same old crap. Personally I've had enough of youngsters writing stuff like "and don't tell me no tren or I'm too young" etc. it's a shame, but unfortunately there's quite a few of us that feel the same.
You are absolutely right though, I've just had a look in there and there's BS all over the place. Some awful advice going down to.
+1, you're right and you got me thinking I need to get my arse back into these cycles a bit more.
Yes and i understand it is frustrating sometimes when these kids try to tell you that they know what they are doing and they have been researching since last week. lol. but there will always be those guys that refuse help because they think they know everything. Although there will be a couple that listen and figure out that they got ahead of themselves. They make it worth the while.
So what the hell are you saying that we are not practicing what we preach in the right forums? Apparently you are completely right at least as far as me going there! So well said! I will go there more often now, I needed this reminder. Also it needs to be those with high experience, or any legit experience to offer. +2
Thanks i think that even though everyone will not heed the advice given, some may listen and make better decisions. Even though a lot of people dont take the advice that all you veterans give, that shouldnt be a reason to just give up and stop trying to help them. You may prevent some kid from starting TRT at age 25 or 30. i think you guys have the power to make a difference.
I agree and if you are wise enough to see this then you should be in there as well. We need intelligent people giving advice whether high karma or not. Around here common sense is the most needed just to help others put on the brakes.
Agreed. I will do my part as well. I just dont comment on anything that i am ignorant about though. When i do have information and advice to offer i most definitely do unless someone else has already said it then i just X2
valhallas bestwow talking about how everybody is wanting to do more , these days, really seems to be the subject of discussion... even though you all know that just because a intelligent human being who has this game figured out to a science,pinpoint, is not going to stop noobs from running huge cycles... because more is better, lessis worse..cmon i know you seen that commercial
The sad end of the spectrum of those that started taking high doses many years ago is what they have done to there health and endocrine system. Ive lost count how many people I knew back in late 90s that have passed away either through indirect steroid use OR by not controlling their addictive nuances and moving on to lots more steroids and peptides, painkillers and in some cases recreational drugs.
Anyway - I digress - agree with you Muta. First cycle 300-400mg MAX as long as youve got a good solid strength and training period under your belt. Running that for 10-12 weeks is all you need. Youd grow like a weed as long as DIET is keyed in.
MyrongainsGreat post.
Although I am only two cycles deep, I totally agree with your notion that the first few cycles should be test only or test with one other compound.
Im 24 and currently on just 600mg test c a week with tbol as my second cycle.
i look around other forums and hang around guys at the gym who are planning their first cycle, and theyre already talking about doing tren or like this other 19 year old kid at the gym talking about doing test, deca and dbol as his first cycle.
When asked about pct, his face looked contorted and confused.
Its sad that most people do not do their research before going on a cycle. I studied roids and their effects for an entire year, even going as far as writing a paper on it in uni (lol).
Yes youll get big off multiple compounds but you can also get big on just test with a proper diet and a good routine.
I sometimes feel like people take a ton of different compounds to make up for their crap diet and terrible routine.
First things first, I'm disappointed Muta. These sort of virgins are not why I opened the thread ;)
My first cycle was at 26 years old and only 250mg / wk of Test depot, and it was fairly short. I still gained to the extent where people were making steroid comments!
MilKmAnLol the internet creates a false illusion for everyone. When I first started researching gear I would always see some crazy ass cycles being posted from "well respected knowledgable" members (even here) so naturally I was lead into this false illusion that; hey this guy knows wha he's talking about, I mean c'mon look at that cycle and how much he knows.... Only to find a pic of them floating somewhere later on and find out their a fatass.... This happened Soo many times that I just said fuck it, I'm going to start with the most basic shit and build experience from there.
Everybody always wants the best engine upgrades but not everyone is experienced to handle that shit and end up crashing...
There's absolutely no point in taking over a G of test if your not competing... Have no idea why some ppl do that...
valhallas besthyphy mud+ apple pie, bout as MERICAN as it gets...
diet and vitamins
motrin and water
Double edged sword my friend... The culprit is accessability and availability! Just because you can get it easily doesn't mean you should do it...I've been saying for years that these guys can get quality gains from test only cycles for years to come before even thinking about adding another compound.... Ahhhh, to be young and know everything ;)
You just nailed exactly why most that are new to this world will never heed this first time cycle advise! I have said it before we can say to others "don't do this", and then turn around and boast about how our last tren cycle was awesome and there is no better compound. So what are they really going to hear?
I am banking on that. Running test only cycle right now.
Anonmost have no concept of training, diet etc. just the more juice = more gains.. Bigger = better.. mindset
My first cycle was 250/wk of cyp and I had huge gains. It was awesome. I agree with all of this
I have to agree as well, I think 250-300 mgs a week of test only for a first cycle is quite substantial! because the key is diet, training and rest, gear is NOT the main part of body building! and just on a side note, a mate of mine ran 750mgs for his first cycle and in his next 4 cycles up over a gram, geuss what? he went natural for 6 months and ran another cycle of just 1 ml of test 400 and he grew the same as he did of a gram, so even the guys who run higher doses doesn't neseccarily mean they cant go back to lower doses, for myself my next cycle will be moderate to prove the theory for myself, im actually going to run just 500 of test e a week for ten weeks! and I generally run well over a gram. so yes be sensible!! good post
ClassyChassisBack in Arnold's day, 400mg/wk Deca and 30mg/day Dbol was an advanced cycle. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I see people running large dosages and they look like shit. Don't know how to train, don't know how to diet, don't know how to get their mind right. ha ha. Whatever. That's the modern world. It's sad really though. People don't even know how to find out what they're actually capable of.
Ok, Granpa needs his nap now. Hey you kids... get out of my yard!
Anongrand torino style lol!
Very true, it trips me out the crazy doses I see being thrown out there. Some of these guys are running a whole lot more then what even the pros take. Believe me when I tell you it's nothing like what you see all over the net. It blows my mind these guys who don't even compete are taking well over a gram of test and all for what? Just to be the big guy in the gym.
Anonjust to say they have 20" arms with no visible muscle separation
wowww... I was thinking the same thing the other day , I see guy all over the internet gear forums posting and suggesting crazy amount of gear. 150/160 lbs guy using 600 to 800 mg of test every week thinking with the believe of your body take advantage of it.
in my first cycle I put over 20 pound in 12 weeks using test E 200 mg per week.
my diet was on point and my training even more...
RustyhookerLast year there was much debate on a base level start. Most of the vets and gurus settled with 500/wk and that's plenty to grow on for many cycles.
Imo...it's more important when chattin with the op to get their gosls and make it realistic. There's been plenty of guys happy to put on 8-10 solud no hassle lbs and i advised em to run lower. But many of the youngins want to be huge in one cycle with no efforts put out.
Sgtstedanko was fun to tag team a newb with because we could sensibly prove that you can grow on smaller combos than running some wild stack. Simple 300-400 & provi is better/stronger than a 600test e any day of the week. But its not always "heard" by the op.
Anonif these kids understood 500-600mg could be the test dose for their first 6-8 cycles.. it would be fine. But the youth has a "more is better" persona they're abiding by. I can't remember the last time I've seen someone propose their 4th or 5th cycle stating 500mg/week of test.
RustyhookerI wish it could be that easy.....maybe if they understood free test vs overall test? Guys posting bloods and complaining with 2200+ yet not understanding if it's all bound you're losing out. Will work that angle more!
My first cycle was Test 400mg a week and Dianabol at 15mgs a day for 12 weeks.
If I remember rightly I put on between 12lbs - 15lbs of body weight. Admittedly, my food intake wasn't the greatest at the time and it's only through experience that I have learnt just how important QUALITY food intake is, not just while on/off cycle, but throughout my working out regime and lifestyle.
The #1 Cringer for me is hearing about newbies being put onto high Deca ONLY cycles and being told, "This'll make you grow", by their sources. Their sources probably have a bounty of the compound that they're just trying to get rid of and because the newbies have heard of Deca, they're paying $150 - $200 a 10ml vial, thinking they're going to be safe.
+1 for this posting, Mate.
Agreed ! Guys are treating Tren like it's candy around here !! It has taken me year to figure out what works for me ! Believe it or not guys it's not Tren ! I see more guys running more Tren in a few weeks than I run on a 10 week cycle !! Yes my body is different and reacts different than yours ! However slow and go ! Figure out what works best for you ! Just beacuse you see it on the net don't mean it's going to work for you !! I'm sure most of you don't keep a log ! One of the best tools you'll ever have is a log. Log what your taking how much,ETC...... Believe me you'll learn a lot from your self !
Anonlisten to your body.. concept I learned a long time ago!