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Okay 31 201 18% on trt 200mg week test c and 1 grain armour thyroid ed and 1000iu hcg ew Have 3 bottles of test e 250 150 20 my dbols 1 bottle eq 200 and 40 40mg tabs of nolva want to be at 210 10%bf
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AnonYour diet training and REST will dictate a lot of what you will gain or NOT. I would not run your first cycle with anything but test though. Simple is better. Save the eq for a later cycle when your body fat is down otherwise you will not see the improvements that you are looking for. The more compounds you use now the more you will HAVE to utilize later to get increased gains. Your first and second cycles should be the best ones you have as far as gaining size, muscle mass. This is all dependent upon your diet and training as well. Quite frankly, You are very realistic in aiming for 10lbs of lean muscle. I am impressed.
AnonI don't know why i wash prescibed the armour thyroid he based it off dhea numbers and said it would help with bf as of now im at 203 16%bf dbol @30mg ed 1 grain at ed and 200mg test c and300 test e ew and 500iu hcg twice a week
AnonDIET..plain and simple. No matter what age or physical condition you are.. a diet is a major benefactor with any gains, or cutting up.
tread-mI won't come at it as a "pro" but I will say you get the body fat in order through some good hard work in the kitchen and then we talk going up from there. Not opposed to a test boost for a blast and even the bold if you can make that kitchen right. You have to take a step back sometimes in order to take 2 steps forward and I think thats where you are today. I pull the thyroid unless you have a need there in thyroid levels or have hgh in the mix at higher iu's. You could have that bf in order in 6 weeks without any additional compounds and then I think we talk move forward though IMO.
AnonUh, Tread, he isn't running HGH, he wrote HCG.. also, most people don't get armour thyroid unless it is a script, the average Joe doesn't know about it and doesn't realize it is a better product than a synthetic version, such as synthroid or cytomel. If you are purchasing armour thyroid w/out a script is like trying to find a needle in a haystack unless you know where to look. I could be wrong but I'd also say it is a script cuz most people don't know to call it a "grain" either.
tread-mSweetie, I said "UNLESS" you have a need for it or are running hgh. Making the point not to run thyroid without a need. And yes I know about that product...FROM YOU! ; )
AnonHoney, you know that people don't read thoroughly and skip over shit.. anyway, I just wanted to capitalize on a chance to correct you since it only happens once a year.
tread-mWATCH HOW EASY THIS IS....CLICKIE
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AnonAlready started in the kitchen. Trt doctor satisfy low throid wash causing the bf won't get hgh til january. Want to be at 6 pack status by summer. How do i get there
Alright bro heres your six pack prescription train like this and I swear you will not have any fat I promise. As the big gorilla says if you got fat on you you wanted it more than you did not want it....Please see below...Make sure you have proper volume while clicking the link:) ENJOY!!!
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sgtstedankoI'm no pro. That being said, read my post in the exercise forum Basics for the beginners here at eroids. That with proper diet & your test should get you what you want. But ultimately its up to you brother. Hope this helps you : ) Kmi
tread-mIj just kinda weigh things out usually based on stats and goals and then go with "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line". That being said, I think it will be much easier for you to rock out the body fat through hard core diet first. Not that you are fat or anything just looking at your goal of going up dramatically in muscle when figuring you want to drop bf and gain weight. Might be a pretty big goal by summer but I smoke that bf and actually lose weight and then come back test only and possible tbol going way way big on meat calories in 6 daily meals and push the heavier weight. The 6 pack is not a big if you can have patience with the weight going up. You could come in test and tbol on the beginning of blast and starting week 5 of blast bump to var at 50 ed through week 8 and then jump to 80 ed through week 12. If the diet is lean and big on lean meat and the heavy lifting is in place, you could actually gain a little weight with a lot of net muscle and now you have your foundation. Many different ways to go though with the bf down after a good hard core diet here. Give you a personal example so I'm not just speaking hypotheticals. I dropped 32 pounds in 30 days with diet dialed in big time on a calorie reduction and mega fat and dairy reduction to take a step back once at about your age at the time. Worst 30 days of my life I think but I found it so easy to pull on good quick quality muscle. The other benefit is that fat attracts fat, given I had dropped all my fat and even sacrificed some perfectly good muscle, I found it near impossible to put on fat. Not really trying but I just noticed that is one of the benefits of getting to mega lean. So the real questiion may be , how bad do you want it? The way I did it, not recommending it to anyone, was to eat eggs and some meat only for breakfast (just medium size meal), healthy choice meal for lunch and dinner and had a grapefruit about 9 ish at night. Sucked ass hate healthy choice dinners by day 5 and was starving to death but I got there in 30 days. I'm not the drag it out for months kinda guy so I got ahold of it and knocked it out. Day 31 I'm back to poundijng heavy lean meat and the muscle stacked pretty quick. There are plenty of ways to get there but again, 8 think you take a step back and then move on. Some will come and give you other suggestions so hopefully you will have 3 or 4 ways to choose from because mine is not for everyone. Not many people are willing to take that step back but if you try other things and end up back here and then take the step back....that not a straight line, its also not the shortest distance to goal. You can cut bf and gain muscle but it is tough and would take serious work in every aspect of your game . It is a fight that most people fail at because they end up with one or the other and kinda start over or gain well beyond desired sitting weight and then cut back to desired weight melting fat. Still think the step back now might be your shortest trip to lean and built even if it takes you a bit to get to desired weight.
You mentioned this to me in a pm and I had no idea until you gave this example of your diet. I have some stubborn ass fat bro not a ton but some that just won't go away. I like the way you explained it as taking one step back. I can see hwere you would put on some serious muscle afterwards. Now would you do this while cycling or not. Maybe while on a cruise whats your thought?
BostonSerious read here tread. How were you training during this diet?? God you must have lost so much quality muscle. Were you doing cardio as well?? I'm SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING doing the one step back idea. Great read again brother.
tread-mTried to keep to heavy lifting hoping to retain some. Lost a lot of muscle, some recomp..all the fat. Seriously dont want to push others to that short run but the point is maybe two fold. We can do anything we want if we want it bad enough and the bigger point may be to not let ourselves need those extremes. I had to do a restart on the computer basically because I just couldnt seem to get anything to work. Once I did its like everything worked so if I do take a step back now and then I make sure it never has to be as big of a step! Lol. Hell now I can cut 5 pounds in just a couple days if the need is there so its micro managing I think once you get to where you need to be.
BostonCan i ask you this? Whats wrong with a run of tren a and test p with var or winny on a cal restricted diet? Just seems to be the better route fir fatloss and we dont have to sacrafice the muscle. I had this in mind for my next cycle. I really like your replies tread. You have great info.
AnonRunning stuff like that is pretty harsh on the system. You are using a sledge hammer when you can get away with using claw hammer.
BostonMaybe so, but guys here use tren all the time and we all know how well it works during fat loss phases. I just personally cant risk the huge muscle mass loss as i dont have that much of it lol. I just wanted to know if it's possible to shed big body fat and retain the mass with a 6-8 week run of prop and tren a with the tight diet. And yeah i know tren is harsh. Thanks grrrrl.
AnonAnything is possible with the right diet and training .. the gear is like a bonus tool, to push you past that point that naturally you are not going to go. A calorie restrictive diet is not conducive to maintaining and or building muscle... they just don't go together. I know that I'd be hard pressed to find someone restricting calories running a tren cycle.. The diet is going to make or break you..are you competing or just want to lose body fat?
AnonI guess i have benefit looking at it backwards my thought was get big then get lean
sgtstedankoI think he was saying. You can do either or. But not both at the same time. I would def go for the lean first out of the gate brother. Then add quality muscle mass gains; And then rip the fuck up... But I honestly didn't read everything. I have the attention span of a coked up nat some nights. I was being honest in my advice last night. That will work, if you put in the hard work. And it will work exceptionally well... I personally guarantee it : )
ItsNoelgood shit
sgtstedankoSorry I posted above this, at the same time : ( nice post brother. You rock; you damn dirty ape
tread-mWhat are you talkin about, you post anywhere you want brother ,you know we Nooka's!
sgtstedankoI know : )! But you obviously put your passion, time & effort into that one. That beats out my standard auto response, whoring for points
tread-mSpeaking of...HAPPY 100!!!
sgtstedankoJust noticed that. Thanks brother. YIPPEE!!! I'm so happy, I think my testicles are dropping : )
tread-mIst good run at the Misses and they'll be gone again so spend some time with them while you can brother...life is so short!
sgtstedankoWill do : )
AnonAlso 50 50mg winny tabs