4th cycle input needed
This will be my fourth cycle and just was hoping for some feedback about what my resulting gains might look like. My first one was straight dbols low dosage(10mg ed) at the age of 20 for 8 weeks. Then at 22 I did a 10 week cycle of Andropen 275 1ml a week for 8 weeks and my last one was when i was 24 and was of sustanon 250 1ml a week for 12 weeks so all fairly low dosages.
My stats are:
27yo 6' 220lbs with around 13-15% bf
My planned cycle this time is:
week 1-3: 1ml sust 250 mon wed fri 10 mg of dbol 2 times a day
Weeks 4-12 1ml sust 250 mon wed fri
weeks 13&14 1ml sust 250 mon thurs
weeks 15&16 1 ml sust 250 once a week
Gym schedule is 3 days on one day off with days looking like chest/back, shoulders/tris, legs/bi's with cardio 2-3 times a week (2 days being 20-30 mins while 3rd will be 10 mins of jogging with a day of sprints.
PCT will start two weeks after last shot and consist of nolva 40mg/ed for 2 weeks then 20mg/ed for two weeks.
Diet consists of around 220-250g of protein a day and i shoot for 3000-3500 calories a day
with a dose of casine(spelling) protein before bed.
So i guess im just curious 1. What might my gains look like hypothetically? 2. Should i not bother with the taper at the end and do max dosage for 12 weeks? Thoughts on gym schedule and diet? Any other input would be awesome.
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UFOLooks like you could use some more time researching bro...everything looks pretty shitty. Only dbol for 8 wks at 20? W.e fuck it its in the past. Even though you ran some test cycles(more like test cruise if only at 275mg a week) theres no reason to jump from 250 up to 750. Keep it simple.
Why are you so stuck on sust? Why dont you run a simple cycle like Test e 600 mg a week for 10-12, Dbol 30-40mg 1-4?
What about AIs to keep your estrogen under control??
Only eating 220g of protien a day and you weigh 220?? You will never grow. Get that up to 400g of protien a day and 4000 clean calories.
You need wait longer than 14 days after your last sust inject to start PCT. That test deconate wont be out of your sytem tioll about 21 days.
No HCG or Clomid for PCT? Id at the very least suggest an HCG blast b4 PCT...
AnonI agree with your cycle plan not bad at all could even go 500 a week on test
Well you gotta walk before you run and before the dbols i had only done creatine and got some off my friend. I understand the 2 grams of protein per body weight so been working on finding ways to get it higher hence asking questions. I like sust because of the mix of the four tests and its something ive used. I thought about the hcg and again this is why i asked for input. I decided on 750 because its a bit above the middle of what an average weekly dose is which i read range from 250-1000.
UFOWell the issue isnt that you did dbols, it's that you did ONLY dbols, which shuts down your natural test production. With any compound you run a test base with it. Keeps everything down there working like it should.
For the protien, grab some good protien powders and make 2-3 shakes a day which will give you an extra 150g of protien along with your food intake.
Nothing wrong with the sust if thats what you like, but you will see great gains at 5-600 mg a week. Start there so you know how your body reacts to higher dosages of test.
HCG is GREAT for kickstarting your nuts and helping you recover quicker...look into it for pct. You can friend me and PM me if you have other questions...
Yeah i see the issue with the just dbols now thats why i plan to kick start this one with some . i sent you a friend request cause i have acouple questions id like to ask over pm if thats cool and thanks for the advice.
UFOAccepted...NP
What kind of gains did you make on your last sust cycle?
Have you had blood labs run recently and or ever?
What's your stats as far as bf% goes?
Last sust cycle i gained 25 lbs but didnt worry about my diet back then was in college my bf is like 14-15% and i have blood labs run every two months.
Since your last cycle was over three years ago I would keep it simple at 500 Test E or Sust 500 per week. I think your receptors will be very open to those dosages. Be sure and run labs before during and after your cycle so you can see what that does for you so you can compare later cycles. Of course standard AI's and PCT regiment is paramount. Your diet is going to be the deciding factor on what kinds of gains you achieve. I would seriously research this aspect heavily before starting your next cycle. Ideally you should gain 10-12 lbs lean on a basic cycle. But I would rather have 10 lbs lean as apposed to 30 lbs fat, water and muscle.
Ok so tone down the weekly dose to what 1 ml twice a week? Im working out the pct now that ive gotten advice which i consider to be part of my research along with looking over the forums. I understand the importance of protein along with mixing the three types so now its the planning of meals mixed with shakes to get over 400g of protein along with the 4000 calories. How important is it to monitor carb intake?
Yes 250 twice a week should suffice. Your protein intake is key on a cycle at the recommended intake is 1.2 grams per lb you want to be. So for instance you are 220 now and want to go to 240 you would consume 288 naturally and about 340 on a cycle. Too much protein is a bad thing as it acts like sand paper on the kidneys and raises creatinine levels. This must be done for an excessively long time to do harm. The 2 grams of protein rule is for kilograms not pounds. That is why so many people get them confused. Your carb intake is also crucial depending on what kinds of gains you want to achieve. Just bulking, then you need to eat more carbs. Like a 40 30 30. Lean gains would be more in the 40 50 20 (carbs,protein,fat). Check out sgtstedanko's post on healthy eating here Basics for cycles. He is the resident diet guru her at eroids.
Awesome thanks for the advice i appreciate it i want to get top knotch results so trying to plan this one out from all aspects