2nd Steroid Cycle +PCT
Hey guys. I'm new to juicing and this is my first account on a forum site, so bare with me! Right now I'm preparing my 2nd steroid cycle and I wanted some feedback. I'm almost finished with my first cycle which is a typical test e cycle 500 mg per week, pinned twice a week and I threw in Anadrol for four weeks at 50mg ED. I'm very happy with the results I've gotten and have gained quite a bit of weight from lean muscle. I've had the normal sides from the test and I've had absolutely no problems, in fact I think my body loves the extra test haha. Of course I'm one of those guys who always wants a little more so I'm going to make a jump for my second cycle. My goal for this next cycle is to really put on some mass and hopefully be at 200-210 lbs after my PCT. Any feedback is much appreciated:
Stats:
24 years old
5'10
192 lbs (I believe at about 15% bf)
One cycle under my belt as stated above
2nd Cycle:
Week 1-16 Test E 600 mg/week pinned twice a week (The test e is dosed at 300mg/mL)
Week 1-6 Dbol 50 mg ED
Week 1-14 Deca 400 mg/week
Week 1-16 Arimidex at .5 mg ED
PCT
Week 17-3 days into 18th week HCG 500 iu ED
Week 18-19 Nolva 40mg ED
Week 20-21 Nolva 20mg ED
A few questions I have are:
How does my PCT look?
Should I pin Deca twice a week at 200 mg?
Is Arimidex necessary for the entire cycle?
Thanks in advance guys!
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2nd cycle ... why not just try a gram of test E with a 4wk prop kicker........... same MGs as you planned with the deca in there but a better faster drier start with the prop, NO 19nor evil sides to worry about and you can say you are in the big boyz club from running a gram..... your choice!
Thanks for the input Viking. How does this cycle build look to you if I were to go that route.
Week 1-12 Test E 1000mg per week
Week 1-4 Test P 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
Week 13-16 Test P 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
Wait 3 days after last Test P pin then start PCT.
Week 1-2 Nolva 20mg Clomid 100mg
Week 3-4 Nolva 10mg Clomid 50mg
Should I run adex or aromasin during the cycle?
Anon+1.....I like it alot
I cant tell you how many of that cycle i have run.....its good and basic
SPOT ON brother..... now you got the brain ticking!..... that test run will give desired result without a fkn doubt if you get the diet carb rich and making sure you have at least 1 gram of protien pr one pound bodyweight... then up the grammage on a sliding scale basis as you grow to make sure you always have pro floating through the system for when the receptors are on a hunting mission.... simple adex for AI no need for caber with no 19s ..... cycle is pin and grow, concentrate on food and compound training.
p.s. use EOD pinning protocol to cut down on dis-comfort imo.
Thanks for all the quick responses!
My PCT for my first cycle is Nola dosed at 40 mg ED for two weeks and then dosed at 20mg ED for two weeks. I'll be starting my PCT after waiting two weeks after my last pin to let the test clear out. And I was thinking about staying off for about 8 weeks. I'm naturally just a planner so I like to plan out everything way in advance. I also heard from a buddy that using a natural testosterone booster can help a lot during PCT, is this true/would it be safe to throw it in?
Thanks for information regarding a new cycle. When would y'all personally recommend to run Deca? I'm not too worried about the sides because I can combat most of them.
RustyhookerYou're not worried??
You have an improperly set up cycle without the proper on cycle protection and your pct is bunk.
Test/deca...wait til bout 5th cycle. You need lots more base cycles and research
"You have an improperly set up cycle without the proper on cycle protection and your pct is bunk."
Can you be more specific on this please?
RustyhookerSexy mexy and j223 already told ya. I've gotta yet again rewrite their facts? Just read. This steroid game ain't no joke. Go scan the trt section some day. Hells dudes on here from just 1 wrong deca cycle on full TRT......for LIFE. Do not underestimate this stuff.
You stated a vague sentence and I just wanted some clarification. I've already read and read and now that's why I'm here, asking veterans for their advice so obviously I don't think this is a game. All I'm asking for is to be pointed in the right direction, as of right now I'm dropping the deca and adding test p.
RustyhookerAwesome and smart! I'd rather see ya posting swole pics than back with nipples and decadick.
Hahaha exactly! Thanks a lot for your help.
Also, I just have a small question about my current cycle. Is it safe to add Nolvadex during a cycle? A small dose such as 10mg? Will that hinder muscle growth or would it be mainly beneficial?
RustyhookerI personally prefer aromasin because not only does it control estro throughout the whole body it raises igf. Nolva is just a nipple blocker. It has its purpose in pct but on cycle theres better choices. Review the pct section for a few mins and you'll eadily see the full reports. One by GS....and Sexy mexy knows his ai/pct as well
Thanks a lot for your help! You've been extremely helpful.
.5mg Arimidex every day seems a bit much, try .25 eod or e3d.
Clomid also for your PCT
IF you are going to go ahead with the Deca, get some Caber.
From my understanding the general consensus for Deca ratio is 2:1
if your running 600mg Test the Deca should be no more than 300mg.
( I suggest you listen to those below and drop the Deca)
RustyhookerTime on + Pct = time off.
Blood test that makes sure you recovered.
If you want to be 210 after PCT you will need to be 225 or so on cycle to be able to maintain 210 off.
Remember test/deca/dbol is highly aromatizing cycle you will notice quite a bit of bloat and glycogen retention. This can be minimized with cardio and diet and AI, but still a lot of water.
A 30-40lb gain is extremely unlikely in a cycle sorry bro not trying to be a downer but just be realistic.
I would not recommend deca for a second cycle. Try using a cycle like this:
1-5 Dbol 30-40mg per day
1-12 Test Enan 600mg per week
13-15 Test Prop 100mg eod
1-16 Arimidex 0.5mg eod
then PCT.
You can gain 20+ lbs with this cycle and you don't need the deca. Save deca for a later cycle. Deca has bad side effects like deca dick, puffy nipples/gyno low sex drive etc
You also need HCG and caber in a deca cycle. Caber has it's own side effects. Basically what I'm saying is try to save deca for another cycle you can make good gains without it right now
AnonU doing a variation of the Bill Roberts PCT minus the vitamin E. I got to say I don't agree with Bill with his opinion about Clomid. I'd do something else but first let's look at the cycle itself. Deca is a harder compound on the HPTA so I hope you are ready for that. I personally wouldn't recommend using it quite yet. I'd run some short ester Prop as a kicker and taper along with the Test E and Dbol. It will give u a better gauge on what your body will do on different esters of test.
Can u tell me why u feel you are ready for Deca? Your PCT just won't bring you back from 14 weeks of Deca very quick. Caber?
Another thing you mentioned you are going to make a jump on your second cycle. What is your PCT for this first cycle and how many weeks are you taking off?