posted Tue, 10/16/2012 - 14:26
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2nd ever cycle Test Prop Masteron
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Just started 150 EOD prop/mast cycle yesterday. Letro @ .25 EOD to keep bloat away. Comments on past experiences as far as how long for it to kick in, LBM gains, strength and anything worth adding. Thinking about adding tren ace toward the middle, but very nervous about the sides. I cannot make it obvious at work that I am on cycle. Thoughts. Not to be a dick, but I know how opinions go so please don't tell me to add this or that I'm sticking with what I got.
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Just finished the cycle a few days ago. Strength is thru the roof gained 12-15 lbs LBM. The EOD pinning got a little old, but nothing I could not handle. pct is Clomid 100-100-50-50 and Nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20 I don't feel both arew necessary, but it is what I am being told is best so I gonna follow their advise. Overall very pleased with the cycle. Will Def do again. May add low dose of Tren Ace next time.
i know this is an old thread, but did you notice a difference with how PCT went with clomid added in? I agree that both are unnecessary, i just use HCG to prep my boys into PCT then use nolv and exemestane. People have flamed me for not using clomid so i figure I'd ask somebody who has done it both ways. Thanks!
Starting my second week tomorrow. So far no big changes. I was expecting it to have kicked in by now. Not with gains but morsel with the feeling of being "on" and libido. Any suggestions?
that is a lot of pinning for your second cycle man, but as long as you don'tind then go for it, but i'd stay away from Tren on your second cycle. You will get plenty from just the prop and masteron. Letro is good to have on hand but you may not need a lot of it because of the masteron. Should see sooem nice hardening and strength gains brother. good luck!
Yea I found out that prop hurts a little more than Enthnate. I stuck myself the first time in the right quad that was on Monday and the shit still hurts. for the 2nd injection heated it up a little last night and had the wife inject in my glute very slowley and so far very little PIP. She will not be home tomorrow so it will be back to the ole quads not looking forward to that. I will heat it up and go slow, but I hate quads. I took the advise and ditched the letro and go Adex instead. Not gonna use it unless I start to bloat. Gonna try to control it with diet and cardio.
I quad shot all my prop. Heat it in shot glass of hot water 5 mins. Let sink slowly pour hot. 25 x 1 pin. All butter.
Neither letro or mast is an ai. Letro is for emergencies
Thanks guys will update mid cycle and at the end.
hllwdb so your concern is the constant sticking. Ill admit last night 250mg of juice going in did not excite me. I pinned in my left quad because I wanted to be in control of my first injection with this becasue I did not know what to expect. PIP has been a 5 on a scale of 10. next i will let the wife put it in the glute. I agree 3-4 pins per week does not give me good thoughts.
I pin 7 days a week. Doesn't even faze me.
1jakd_hipyHave your wife pin your lats as well as glutes, also once shoulders are broken in they take 2mL's pretty well. I've been doing this a while and still hate pinning quads
That is EXACTLY my concern bro, you should start off long ester and start practicing site rotation. Once you gain experience and comfortabilty with differnt sites THEN you step up to a short ester cycle
1jakd thank you for the help. If I was just ordering I would get the test E, but I already have the other on hand. I dont know about you but ordering makes me very nervous each time. Do me a favor and go to other forums and read what they have to say about the test prop/mast cycle. I do not like to be judged before people have their facts straight. I did much research before deciding to do this and know a lot about aas in general. All I can know from reading and asking questions anyway. I take good care of my body and train my ass off and it pisses me off whan people jump straight to the fucking research bullshit. I feel many people on hear just repeat what others say they actually don't know whit themselves. Thanks for taking the time to try and help me.
1jakd_hipyBro, I ran a Test Prop, Mast P and Anavar this summer, it was a good cycle and like I said before I love mast. I'm also under 10% BF. And there are a lot of awesome sources here so there's really no need to be nervous, I make extremely large orders usually(go through my pics). Also, I can tell you I love pinning it's some weird fetish of mine and come week 10 of pinning ED, I was ready to go back to cruising. Good luck with your cycle and update us when it's over
1jakd Im not switching to test E so what do you think about dosage for the prop. I'm thinking 150 EOD for 12 weeks. and adex as you suggested. what do you think. and i am still curious why no mast?
Bro, Im a complete ptop whore and a 12wk prop cycle is going to kick your ass. Adding mast is going to either dbl your pinning OR you'll be pushing 2-2.5 ml's per pin. Either way as a 2nd cycle you may have a theoretical idea of what your in for but you do not have the experience to understand what you are in for.
Feel free to do watt you want but when the PIP knocks you on your ass on wk 8 then you will understand.
Rememember, the smart man learns by his mistakes,the wise man learns from the mistakes of others and a wise ass just does what he wants regardless of what the wise man says ;)
1jakd_hipyIt's simply because you can reach your goals without it, I'm all about saving money and with AAS less is a lot of times more. If your deadset on the Prop do 125EOD which will bring you to 500 a week. Also, if your going to run the Mast which I'm positive you will run it at 100mg EOD.
fast despite what you think I did research the mast and what it does. only thing I see I did wrong was to go wwith the letro. only used it once at .25 so no harm. Still don't understand why mast is so bad. please explain?
I love mast. Also love prop. You wanna pin eod....hete ya go.
1-8 prop 100eod
1-8 madt prop 150 eod
Two days after last pin pct starts with both clomid and nolva.
Clomid 100...100...50...50
Nolva 40...40...20...20
Adex .25e3d as needed til pct starts
6 site rotation. Quads, glutes,, delts. I run the whole quad length with a 25 x 1 so the exact spot isnt hit but every 3 Weeks. Move down 2in each rotation. Glutes 23 x 1.5.
Diet dictates the goals. Yes you can bulk on this cycle to a point. 2grams protein per lb body weight. Keep complex carbs high. Fats low. Salt very low will show definition better.
1jakd_hipyHe's not saying mast is bad, he's saying to slow down cause you don't need it yet. Fast can be a little blunt at times and I'm pretty sure he's on Tren right now
No tren. Never ran it. Scrolling from bottom of top its obvious he's confused yet he's argued nonstop with every piece of info. Lol
So 1jakd, what is wrong with running the test prop solo since it what I have on hand. I know it will require more inj, test E has a longer ester and needs to be injested only once per week, but in order to keep blood levels balanced some suggest that 2x per week at 250 is better. See I do no something. In the long run test is test right. suggestions to keep bloat to a min? I cannot bloat up like last time too many questions on the JOB. Im listening....
1jakd_hipyYou're correct Test is Test and yes you should pin Test E 2xweek to balance your test levels. Think about it you can buy two bottles of Test E and have a nice 12 weeker. The water retention aka bloat comes from elevated E2 levels which comes from lack of a proper AI. Run Test E at 500 a week, pin on monday/thursday. I'm on 900mg a week of Test E right now and have zero bloat, my wife even commented the other day on how my face looks skinnier which is weird cause that's where I get the worst bloat. I'm running Adex at .25 E3D. It's all about estrogen control, believe it or not you can bloat from Test P as well.
No hllwd I know exactly what it is supposed to do. I know the lower the BF% the better it makes you look. I know it is used to bulk and cut used with other AAS to combat water retention (ie test)gains are slow but consistent (what I need)and is gyno and liver friendly. Draw back it shuts down the old boys but is the test not supposed to aid with that? I have not used it so I am baseing it on reading and advise from others. Did I miss anything?
First of all, to reply to a response hit the reply button in the corner instead of haviving random, disjointed posts,
and they were just questions, wasn't attacking or accusing... BUT (IMO) short ester cycles should come later in cycle history when there is more experience with pinning tecnique, site rotation as well as training sites.
If you're deadset on running test/mast then why not go long eater, your sites will thank you... And I agree with jakd that you can reach your goal with straight test IF you are willing to commit to diet and training and allow THESE factors to dictate your results and not the compounds
hllwd, I guess lean gains would be a good way to put it. Once again I am not trying to cut.
Fuck I hear what you are saying. So you are telling me if I ask 100 experienced AAS users not fucking one is going to tell me that a mast/test cycle is gtg. The only way I could have done anymore research was to jab the shit in my ass and see WTF happened.I do not want to bulk I simply need to get my strength back and try to lean out a little. Not everyone on here is a body builder. I took the advise and used Letro and all of the sudden I am fucking idiot. I ask again WHY NOT MASTERON? I listening....
1jakd_hipyThere is nothing wrong with Mast, I personnally love Mast and plan on adding it to the end of the 20 week cycle I'm running now. I also have 8 years experience in AAS. Just like everyones reason for turning to AAS is they reach a plateau in their life and determine AAS is the only way to get better. The same thing happens with Steroids, you start with simple cycles, learn to proper diet, learn how each compound effects your body. Slow down bro, I promise you can get the results you want with a Test E cycle with proper AI and proper diet and save money at the same time
1jakd_hipyBecause you don't need it, if your down for wasting money go for it. With a proper diet AI you'll get lean gains from test E
Nothing wrong with a test/mast cycle but WHY are you running it? Do you know what mast is? what qualities it holds? Why you want to use it in a cycle?? Or are you just running it because someone said it would be a good cycle?
Fast from what I can tell from here I got bad advise on the letro. Got that from an experienced lifter, I will ask him the deal soon. AS for a cutter in winter I have good reasons that have nothing to do with body building. My first cycle was nothing more than Test E alone @ 250mg twice per week for 12 weeks and nolva for 6 week PCT. PCT was interupted due to an injury, surgery and meds. Did not want to totally kill my liver so I made the choice to stop early. I see many people running Mast/test cycle so I don't understand why you are freaking.
Thanks for the advise, but 12-15% means 12-15%. Just did a bod mod measurement a few weeks ago. BTW I am not a body builder, so I am not trying to go below 10%. I am a competitive athlete who needs the extra weight.
1jakd_hipySo then why are you trying to "cut", why wouldn't you want to bulk???
X2!! Poor researching maybe?
alot of ppl throw around terminology without really understanding what it means. He could mean lean gains, he could mean recomp but to "cut" on a 2nd cycle when 1st cycle wasn't even deemed a success just sounds like someone with misinformation
Agree. Guess im suprised because regardless of terminology....44Weeks is kinda long time for learning. Its all hete easily readable. Sorry im hot but....anything going into my body im reading and asking first. I know you can get him back on good cucle bro
1jakd_hipyHe's really confused....I think it's a matter of no research and on top of that he's too arrogant to hear what we're telling him
1jakd_hipyBro, run 500mg Test E 12 weeks with .25 Adex E3D, the ADEX and a low sodium diet will keep bloat away, diet is everything and seeing as your 12-15% BF already (which translates to 15-20%) you obviously need to work on diet discipline
Clomid-100/100/50/50
Nolvadex-40/40/20/20
next time you seek knowledge. come to the vets here. dont listen to whoever gave you advice for you last cycle. they dont know shit. Fast is one of the vets bro. im sure he'd have no problem PMing you and helping you out. hes lookin out for ya.
answer to your? adex at .25mg E3D will help control estrogen(which as u kno causes bloat)if that dose doesnt work try .5mg but dont do that until you kno for sure that .25 isnt working. Get mast outta your head bro haha its a no go. stick with test. (one of the vets chime in if im wrong) but test dose should be ran higher than mast.
fast WTF are you talking about?
Your page says you been here as a member for 44 Weeks and you have no goddamn idea how a proper HEALTHY cycle is rin! You're busting letro! Dont know a pct. Post your cycle...bet it looks like shit as well. Your screwing up your dealio! And why you running a cutter in winter? Got your cyclle off back some magazine...bullshit. Someone Gabe uou shit advice and ruined your first cycle. That asshat should be pulling his teeth outta the gutter!
Post your full cycle
Ok guys thanks the letro is gone. Will replace with Adex (I already have some). Since I have opened the can....suggetions on PCT Clomid, nolva, or both?
I know that PCT is the most important part. Trust me I do. Like I stated last cycle I was given advise to use nolva alone, clomid alone, and use them together. So u are saying the adex eod at suggeted dosage should keep bloart away? Will running the Test with the Mast not help with shut down?
PCT is Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Not you usual 2nd cycle. Mast is for the more experienced imo. But you've already started. And I would drop the letro. Consider adex or aromasin insted. And stay away from tren all together for awhile. Like cycle nine or ten.
you have arimidex on hand which is good. for the sake of future gains and being able to find out what compounds aid your body best. id recommend prop only. adex .25mg E3D, and find some reliable clomid. run your PCT at the dose i stated below. you will find that you will be able to calibrate/keep most your gains and control estrogen. but PCT is most crucial bro. bust your ass twice as hard during PCT if u want any shot at keeping gains.
yea fast you are right no one ever suggested the cycle I am doing. I saw a magazine with some muscular dudes in it said fuck it I want to look like that ordered some random gear and started poking holes in my ass. Whats wrong with that?
Thats flat asd stupid. This current deal is BS. Go research before you hurt yourself.
Hows benchanitor??
You've been here 44Weeks and dont know a cycle? Smh?
I had Arimidex on hand, but never used it. if you feel that strongly about it I'm listening. I have Tamoxifen on hand. What do you suggest for dose and frequency? I have only taken .25 of the letro.