posted Tue, 10/16/2012 - 14:26
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2nd ever cycle Test Prop Masteron
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Just started 150 EOD prop/mast cycle yesterday. Letro @ .25 EOD to keep bloat away. Comments on past experiences as far as how long for it to kick in, LBM gains, strength and anything worth adding. Thinking about adding tren ace toward the middle, but very nervous about the sides. I cannot make it obvious at work that I am on cycle. Thoughts. Not to be a dick, but I know how opinions go so please don't tell me to add this or that I'm sticking with what I got.
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Cycle and past cycle show no researching at all. Community...forums....Proper Ai and PCT
TED, I have researched and feel like I know what I am doing when it comes to rotating injections. I am not happy about EOD, but can deal with it.
did you run ADEX during your last cycle? its imperative you run that. if you did run adex what dose? if adex doesnt work then there is aromasin. but not letro brotha. thats last resort. your problem lies in PCT. bad luck definately ruined any shot of you being able to calibrate how much of your gains was muscle and how much was water.
Once again your PCT proves my point. Not saying you are wrong but while some swear you need Clomid and nolva others say no need for both or clomid is the shit or nova is way better. I do listen, but discoverd last time there comes a time when you just gotta say fuck it use your best judgement.
1jakd_hipyWhy did you post it if you don't want people to tell you to add this or that? And I hope you don't have a girl cause running letro like that will kill your sex drive... Good luck buddy
Do you not think the letro is necessary to control bloat. The research I found stated that while many think that running mast eliminated the need for an AI thay was not the case. Suggestion made to me where that mast shuts you down therefore it is imparitive to run test with it. I absolutley do not want any water gain at least minimum possible. As far as my last cycle I trainied my ass off and ate like a monster. I gained weight but all seemed to be water. I got injured shortly after the cycle ended and did not PCT properly due to all the meds I was taking.
even grown men need help with cycles. and for a second cycle this is not it.
could have been bunk gear, or maybe you sluffed off. idk you or your training ways but with reputable gear and a solid diet and training plan, you should have gained some nice mass on a first cycle. masteron will shut you down bro and letro should be used last case scenario. so you got masteron which is gunn hinder estro and your gunna throw letro in there? your gunna feel like shit bro. id scratch the mast and stick with prop. and stay away from tren until your AT LEAST 8 cycles deep with experience
pct should be clomid and nolva
100/100/50/50 - 40/40/20/20
Yes I have started this cycle. 5'10 205 12-15% BF. Many years of weight training. First cycle was test-e only. Not sure if it was the gear or the way my body responed, but all I really got was a lot of water weight. About 12-15 lbs worth. Never got the awesome feeling everybody talks about and did not see a significant gain in strength. My PCT will Nolvadex (Liquid Tamox). Don't start with the research crap. I have done tons including talking to individuals that have experience. The think I found out asking for advise on "the perfect cycle" is everybody and I mean everybody has a different opinion. I am simply asking those who have done this exact cycle to comment on their experiences. Again I don't mean to be a dick, but I have been down the road of "do this, no do that, I agree but add this. I am a grown man not some inexperienced kid.
Clratly inexperienced adult. A man owns up hisistaked.
we are only saying this because a short ester cycle you need to have a pretty good site rotation so you dont have problems considering youre pinning every other day. and letro as your ai may be alittle strong. and not nolva only
Tren is a NO go. What are your stats and cycle history. Youve started this cycle? whats your PCT?
Even mast is a no go. but hes already started. best tool for this guy to use is research.
i know bro but even though he started its short estered and he did just start. should stop research and come back with a better second cycle.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-n...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycles-the-safe-w...
Stats? What was your first cycle?