1st cycle went well, let's talk about the next...
I kept things simple my first cycle and went Test Cypionate only - 500mg a week- for 16 weeks. I also had a aromasin at 12.5mg EOD.
I started at 6'3" 235 and 12% BF ended at 249 lbs and 10% - so 14 lbs and a touch leaner (VERY HAPPY). Didn't have any issues with estrogen effects at all and my only sides were a little back acne (I'm prone to it anyway if I eat sloppy).
Strength went crazy and I've pretty much kept my gains.
I ended at the end of March and am looking to pick back up at the end of June or mid July.
I am considering the following:
Weeks 1-20 Test Cypionate at 500mgs
Weeks 1-20 EQ (Boldenone Undecylenate) at 750 mgs a week.
I've also considered running the EQ for 20 weeks and the test at 500mg to 22 weeks.
I would also stay with the aromasin as my body seems to do well with it.
I have heard mixed things about EQ but I still think I want to try it as I figure it would be a better second cycle drug than something like anadrol. Be it people that are for EQ or against it and calling it weak bullshit, the one thing I've heard is that if you want it to have an effect it requires longer cycles and higher doses.
I've also heard folks using test and EQ as a base for other cycles because of the appetite stimulant effects of EQ. I know that EQ will cause a rise in RBC and I will not only be keeping an eye on it but I am aware and prepared to give blood a couple of times during the cycle.
Looking forward to comments.
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750mg eq for 20 weeks daum.
First go I’d back off a little. And fun fact, which is why i never really ran eq is i just can’t make up my mind about he issue. Dave palumbo swears to switch up all compounds 6-8 weeks yet, everywhere i read specially with long esters, everyone told me “while back” you should run eq at least 14-16 weeks cause it takes a while. But then why would someone liek dave say to switch st 6-8 lol
Idk my next bulk cycle I’ll finally run a eq cycle with some other stuff but probably only use 500mg and I’m very deep in cycleing and competing.
Just something to think about
This isn't so much about the compounds, but on bouncing back which no one mentioned yet. I think you aren't giving your body enough time to recover.
I recently read a thread from another member on a forum that scared the fuck out of me.
We were the same age, same traininig abilities etc. He cycle'd in September, went on for 16 weeks, pct and rested for 3 months. He thought that was enough time and cycled again after that short recovery time which should have been longer.
Today, he is seeing an endo weekly and has been battling depression issues for the past year. He suffers from low t and thyroid issues, its sad.
I'd be careful running cycles back to back before knowing how you will bounce back.
I'm going through my first PCT right now and its been fine, only thing is I'm concerned about the amount of time between now and my next cycle, which I'm putting off for at least a year to recovery fully.
Just something to think about, good luck brother.
750mg of Eq for the first time is way too much in my opinion. Its a new compound to your body and im sure you would react very well with lower dosage. My first run Eq was 300mg per week and i had amazing gains. The test dosage was 500mg as ussual. I would advice you to start with lower dosages and keep the higher dosages ( if its necessary) for the future cycles.
Good work waiting until you had established a solid base before beginning to use AAS. 16 weeks may have been a bit long for a first cycle, but good choice keeping things simple with one compound, testosterone, at 500mg/week.
I think some of the negative reviews you've seen about EQ were written by people more interested in faster, bigger gains. EQ is a compound with few side-effects and the ability to build quality muscle, but it takes a decent amount of time to achieve this, which can turn some people off of it. I'll be starting EQ very shortly to go along with the Test I'm using right now. I'm using it for those reasons, low side-effects, low conversion to estrogen rate, and build quality muscle without water weight.
After enough time has passed post-PCT and you're looking to run another cycle, consider maybe doing the same thing as you did before, but kick things off with a few weeks of Dbol. Simple worked well for you the first time, probably best to stick with it.
basskiller89I don't see a need for anything more than a 750mg test run for a second cycle. 20-22 weeks seems a bit excessive, why not run another 16 week cycle?
If I go test only, that's what I would do. I was only pushing it in trying to add eq.
basskiller89I'd probably save it for a future cycle so you have room to grow. You don't want to be running 2-3g cycles a year from now. Slow and steady wins the race
Seems to be the consensus. So should I just run 500mg of test again? Bump to 600 mg?
Maybe use testosterone at 500-600mg a week and 50mg proviron daily. Great second cycle.
Proviron would be a very nice addition while keeping things simple. That extra free test is really undervalued IMO.
basskiller89I think either is solid for a second cycle
I'm looking for info at this point.....I like to plan way ahead.
..I can easily put it off until end of summer of early fall if need be....the marathon is my mindset. I'm wanting to keep growing over years not weeks.
I do plan on getting blood again before going back on. No worries there.
Should I just run test again?? I'm not too excited about orals and was looking at EQ because it is a milder injectable that should go well with test.
I'm currently sitting at 251lbs...diet is strong and steady
It’s honeslty probably the best thing to do since you seem to have your diet and training locked down and focused. Remember time off = time on+pct at a minimum. If something works well for you, why change it?
I understand. So for my experience the eq wouldn't add much or could simply be better down the line? I guess I could say I feel fortunate because I appear to be pretty responsive to test.
EQ needs to be run for an extended time for the full benefit of it. Your proposal is basically increasing your total gear intake for your second cycle 250% by goinf from 500mg to 1250mg total. You Got great results from 500mg of test per week, why break the formula so early if doing another cycle of 500 or 600mg would probably work great for you?
More gear isn’t better, it doesn’t double your gains. I’d say save EQ for when you have a few cycles under your belt and are doing more intermediate type cycles. It would help add a couple of lbs of lean muscle to you probably, but so would another basic cycle with the same focus you put into this one.
I like it. I'll do that. Thanks.
What i see here like said below try 500cyp again if you want a second compound maybe do something like tbol or D-Bol. Keep it around the 12 week mark. Orals 4-5 weeks 30mgs ed. Get your blood work done first make sure your fully recovered. This isn’t a sprint race it’s marathon slow and steady. You should now how to make gains even when off cycle. If you can’t do that then you haven’t learned enough to play with fire. Diet gym lifestyle. Then blood work and then PEDs don’t get carried away to fast. It can happen pretty easily and then you wind up abusing it and then you get health issues. Keep it simple and play smart. The journey is a lot of fun. Good job on your first cycle though. Nice and simple.
End of March means you’re just about finished wrapping up PCT, and you’re already looking to run another cycle 6-8 weeks later?
Did you get bloods? Precycle mid or post. Let's stop planning anything until you know you've fully recovered. And scrap that cycle. Like mak said if it isn't broke don't fix it.
Getting way ahead of yourself here. If you had such great results from your first cycle why not just do that again. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it.
Sounds that you had good results on your first cycle. You're getting carried away here though. That's not nearly enough time off and your purposed doses are too high, too long and you probably don't even need a second compound.