1st cycle..keeping it simple, critique welcome
I'm 35, 6'3" I fluctuate between 224 and 238 and between 9% and 12% BF depending on how strict I am about cardio. Lifting for 20 years and have been reading about and following various forums in regards to AAS since 2000. I've stayed away from them for various reasons until now.
Anyway, I'm finally ready to take the plunge so to speak and am looking at a simple bulking cycle for my first time:
Weeks 1-16 Test CYP at 350 mg/wk
Weeks 2 - 15 HCG at 500IU/wk
Weeks 1-16 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
PCT:
Clomid at 50/50/50/50
Torem at 120/90/90/60/60
2 things:
1) I would really like input on the PCT dosages.
2) I would rather pin EOD or E3D with a smaller amount:
Edits: Switched from Test Prop to Test Cyp and dropped Anadrol for the 1st 4 weeks
Looking forward to hearing feedback.
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basskiller89Hey brother, good luck with this cycle
I think 450-500mg is better suited for 16 weeks
gear is here and 1st 2 shots are down. I'll keep everyone updated on progress.
saw this link a while back, I keep it on my favs just because its awesome.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
also, if you are from the good ol' U S of A, this is a good way to get cheap bloods frequently.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/easy-way-to-get-cheap-...
Hope this helps! Good luck mate!
A bunch of awesome help in here... y’all are awesome bro’s!! +1’s
Only thing I'd like to mention now that you switched to cyp is to consider the ester weight.
You were originally planning 350/wk prop. because of the ester weight of prop, each 100mg's of prop has 80mg's of test. Making 350/wk = 280mgs of pure test
Now you have cyp, which is good, but cyps a heavier ester, so you only have 69mg's of test per 100mg of cyp. Making 350/wk = 240mgs of pure test.
If you bump it to 140 m/w/f, now you have 420 of cyp which equals 289/wk of pure test. a lot closer to your original plan.
This is just a thought. I'm not telling you to go higher than you're comfortable, or saying you have to if you want to succeed. Some people can gain really well on 350 and I like that you're keeping doses on the lower end.
Just throwing it out there because I don't think another 70mgs will cause more sides but it could possibly get you a little more out of your cycle.
I could be off base here, and someone will yell at me if I am.
It would be pretty easy to bump it to 375g/wk. The cyp is dosed at 250mg/ml so I could inject 125mg (1/2 ml) 3x a week and keep things pretty easy does it.
There ya go. Perfect. That gets' ya at 260/wk pure test. You should be good to go with that first cycle.
Thank you for taking the time to help get me straight
No problem man that's what we're here for. Make sure to read Rusty's pip forum and everything you can on injections. There's a bunch on this site but here are the essentials:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/so....you-got-pip
Help with finding pin points:
http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm
http://www.howtodoinjections.com/im.html
Good luck man. If you have any issues, we'll be here.
The Mgs seem spot on (iv'e always preferred arimidex .5mg EOD and then see how you feel), you're not trying to do too much and get carried away, you're definitely taking the right precautions and steps to eliminate any reasonable possibility of neg sides and you seem to have done your homework. good luck on this cycle man, hope you kill it,
only a couple thoughts. Sounds like you're primed to really take advantage of your first cycle.
1st. Drol and prop on first cycle is not "keeping it simple". Honestly, all that does is tell me you have more research to do
I also prefer more frequent/less volume, but Prop is more known for pip. (you'd know that if you did more research). If you're looking to cut down on volume and pip, you'd be better off doing cyp or enth m/w/f or eod.
I'd suggest m/w/f cyp or enth at 125-150 a shot. .5 ml of cyp eod or m/w/f is going to be WAY less chance of pip than .5 prop ed And I'd be willing to bet you don't have the 10 pin points (maybe can get away with 8 MINIMUM if it's only .5cc) needed for ED injections.
How many pin points do you have? It better be 10 at least if you're doing ED, 6 for eod or m/w/f.
I've done 14 week ed prop injections at 80mg/day. And i have 10 pin points. It gets old after week 10.
DROP THE DROL!!!! Especially if you're not going to listen to the no prop suggestion, because you dont' need a kicker with prop. prop is the kicker. But even if you listen to switching to cyp or enanthate (which I hope you do). You really dont' need one on your first cycle. If diet and training are in order you're gonna blow up.
You have no idea if you're gyno prone, and an AI isnt' going to help you from anadrol gyno. It doesn't directly convert to e2, but can cause e2 issues. That's not a first cycle compound in my opinion. I don't even think dbol is. You need to know how sensitive you are to e2 sides before you fuck with either of those in my opinion.
If you're hell bent on using a kicker, at least switch to something safer like t-bol.
Good E2 info...plus I like the turinabol call for OP when he's ready...
ok.....this is exactly why I posted everything. I don't mind switching to cyp and pinning a few times a week. My whole mentality is you're all right. I don't want to pretend to know everything and I can read and plan until I'm purple and cross eyed but I still will have to ask. I would rather get things straight before I start this whole thing.
I'm also not hell bent on anything other than not being too greedy and making sure that the gains I'm looking for come over multiple cycles in a controlled manner (very willing to run a marathon as opposed to a sprint).
Nice. I’d do what I have above with no kicker than. And make sure you have at least 6 points. You don’t want an abscess.
How much aromasin do you have on hand? Your starting dose isn’t bad but you may need more. I personally need way more. It’s also better to dose aro ed than eod. I’d do 6.25ed to start, (with cyp don’t start it from day one, can wait til week 2) and have enough to be able to take up to 25mg/day if needed. You almost definitely won’t need that much, but better safe than sorry.
And get pharma. It’s not worth the risk.
Get blood work week 5 or 6 to make sure your dialed in, before the blood work, sides should tel you if you need to bump it up. Only bump 6.25 at a time, and give it at least 5 days before adjusting again (unless it’s getting severely worse after 2, but that shouldn’t happen under 500mg).
I'll make sure to pick up enough aromasin to run 25 mg ED if necessary, and I can get Arimidiex as well (and even some Letrozole just to have it on hand). Better safe than sorry.
I want to make sure I have everything well in advance of the first shot and I certainly appreciate everyone giving me real feedback. bloodwork was planned at week 6 to make sure its all going well and things can be controlled. I may also have it done again at week 12.
Good shit. + for actually taking the advice here and switching esters and dropping the kicker. I had a feeling you had a head on your shoulders, which is why I took the time to write all of that.
And don't be hard set on HCG week 2. Listen to your body. If your guys are still full size week 2, I'd wait another couple weeks. But that's just a personal opinion.
Good luck and I'd be interested to see your revised cycle after you're finished reading up and making the adjustments. The cycle group rusty suggested is a good one.
Again, I'm no expert and have no idea how I'm going to react. Will listen to my body for the HCG and I'll also check out the recommended group.
To add to your points regarding aromasin, I found it very helpful (op) on my 1st cycle to have arimidex on hand. You dont know how the aromasin will work for you. In my case, even though my test was over 3k 6.25 was too much so I switched to .25 of arimidex ed and that was the sweet spot. If I didnt have it ready to go I would have been waiting around suffering with either too hi or crashed e2.
I'll make sure to get some before I start anything. Great info
Great point! I'm coming from the opposite end of the spectrum where I need 18.75-25/ed at 500 and above, but i'm rare from that side, and there's also a chance of it being way too much. Need to be ready for anything! Thanks brother +
Absolutely! Have to think of everything and anything that could go wrong because that one thing we forget will be the one thing that happens.
Thumbs up, bro...nice
Drop the Anadrol. Completely unnecessary. Your 1st cycle you will need to find out how you react to test and how to control your estrogen with that 1 compound 1st. If you start right off with 2 and end up with issues you will have to screw around trying to figure it out.
Also Anadrol is a rough drug to use with big BP increase's etc - several years down the line and I still can't tolerate it....
X2
Seems to be the general consensus. I'm completely ok with not trying to do too much at once.
I think you will find that you are glad you did. Also with switching to a longer ester (which I would do) you wont all of a sudden have an overabundance of testosterone in you and not know how to control it. With the longer ester it will take time to build which is time you have to become accustomed to it. Imo it will make life easier. And if your diet is right you will do well. Make sure you research half lives so you can minimize any fluctuations that may come up.
Will do!
RustyhookerHorrible cycle. Go research in first cycle group.
X2...need a pic too...something tells me OP will aromatize heavily and cause E2 issues...based off his history...
I've read a pretty good bit and have decided to drop the anadrol for my first time thru and switch to test cyp. Anything else I should read about that makes this super horrible?
RustyhookerLil better now. Much simpler. Get bloods week 5 to check ai dosing. I wouldnt start ai til needed and bloods proove it.
Drol and prop.... save it for 3rd or 4th as bulker. You dont need to stress on pins, estro, pip, foods etc first few. Simple eat and grow.
Sounds good. Thanks for taking the time to get me straight.