posted Thu, 03/05/2015 - 06:33
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1st cycle shouldn't it hurt??
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What's up guys?!? Iam 36yo
5'11 185lbs
Just started my 1st cycle ( 400mg cypionate/100mg prop week)
The 1st shot was terrible I pulled needle out half way twice during the injection had to push it back into my Quade to finish injecting what was left So of course my leg felt super sore for 2-3 days now my 2nd shot this am went real smooth although I didn't feel any pain as the fluid went into my muscle. Should I be feeling pain as the fluid goes in? I thought I was so now Iam wondering did I do something wrong??
Iam taking 20mg Ed of Novaldex and DIM as an A.I. until my LUIQUIDEX arrives next week will those work to combat gynomastia until my LUIQUIDEX arrive??
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Thank you @Viking EVOLUTION
You are welcome @305red
@305red Do you mean that you already have gyno? or only start feeling the signs of gyno? could you be more clear?
Now for AI when on cycle, Some people might say AI isn't needed on a cycle, opinions vary.
But Because people haven't got gyno? and even if people may not experience side effects, such as gyno and ,... the estrogen level is sure very high.
Aromasin at 10mg/ED will keep most users estrogen level under 50pg/ml on cycle. that's what I know.
some people might say using an AI during cycle may limit gains... But is that 100% sure? again opinions vary.
My advice is, Aromasin when on cycle 10mg/ED, would do the trick
And because your reply is not so clear, if you were asking about PCT, then a week after your last shot you can start, some might say no wait more, but you want to start recovery as soon as possible to retain maximum gains, so here what you can do
Week-1 (Nolvadex 20mgs/day+ HCG 500iu/day+ Aromasin 20mgs/day+ Vitamin E 1,000iu/day)
Week-2 (Nolvadex 20mgs/day+ HCG 500iu/day+ Aromasin 20mgs/day+ Vitamin E 1,000iu/day)
Week-3 (Nolvadex 20mgs/day+ HCG 500iu/day+ Aromasin 20mgs/day+ Vitamin E 1,000iu/day)
Week-4 (Nolvadex 20mgs/day+ Aromasin 20mgs/day)
Week-5 (Nolvadex 20mgs/day)
Week-6 (Nolvadex 20mgs/day)
Thats my opinion and I respect all other opinions
I hope it's not gyno I went back and looked at pics of me as a kid and looks like I always carried a bit more fat on my chest then I should but in my teens I was able to bench press and push-up my way to a nice chest and since my late 20's it's just gone downhill. Thanks for the instructions on nova I'll follow them to a T
AnonIf he is only running long esters at the end then he needs to wait longer than a week before pct. Would just go standard nolva/clomid protocol and not run hcg in pct.
1: Choosing a Needle – There are numerous needle sizes at our disposal, and you need the right one to get the job done. a 23g-25g needle will do you fine.
2: Drawing Air – Before you draw your steroids into the syringe, the first step is to draw at a minimum the same amount of air into the syringe that matches the amount of oil you’ll be drawing into the syringe.
3: Empty the Air – Place the needle into the oil ,and push all the air in. This will allow you to draw the oil with ease
4: Draw the Oil – Simply pull the plunger of the syringe back until the desired amount is obtained; most will find drawing in slightly more (a miniscule amount) to be useful.
5: Remove Air Bubbles – Now that the oil is in the syringe, push the plunger forward while tapping your finger against the side of the syringe to remove all air bubbles. This will cause a little bit of oil to shoot out of the needle, but that’s why you drew up a little extra.
6: Disinfecting – Determine which muscle you’re going to inject and the specific location, and disinfect with alcohol.
7: Once the area is disinfected, plunge the needle into the desired location, but do not inject yet. Once the needle is firmly in place, pull the syringe back.When you aspirate, if blood fills into the syringe remove the needle and pick a new location. If blood has entered into the syringe, you have hit a vein or blood vessel, and if you inject there’s a chance you’ll fall prey to what is known as “Tren Cough.” Trenbolone is the most notorious anabolic steroid for causing this, but it can happen with even Testosterone. When you hit a vein or blood vessel, some of the steroid gets into the lungs, and causes a violent cough that can be quite frightening and painful. Your mouth will taste like metal, and some say their teeth even hurt, and you will cough more violently than you ever have before. . If you aspirate and no blood enters the syringe, you’re ready to inject.
8: If you have followed steps 1-7 and no blood entered the syringe during step 7, you are ready to inject your steroid(s). Simply push the plunger until all the oil has entered the desired location.
9:All the oil has been injected, but at this point, you are not ready to remove the needle. Leave the needle in for approximately 20-30 seconds to ensure all the oil has settled deep into the muscle. If you skip this step, there’s a decent chance some of the oil may leak out, or worse settle under the skin; this can lead to a sterile abscess and it’s intensely painful.
10: you’re ready to remove the needle, and as you do, you’ll place a clean, never before used cotton ball directly over the injected area. Applying pressure, hold the cotton ball in place for approximately 20-30 seconds.
11: remove the cotton ball and firmly massage the area for a few seconds to ensure all the oil is dispersed deep into the muscle; after step that you’re done.
AnonGood job+2
Keep it up ;)
Good write +1
Thx Belgium Guy!! I'll follow to a T.
I did blood work precycle free test was 300 so looks like I'll need another one in about a month. Iam drawing with 21gage and pinning with 23 . So since I don't need a.i at the beg hinging of cycle how far into it should I start or is that only decided after bloodwork if so what do I ask dr . To look for Iam deadly afraid of gynomastia my chest is way to flabby as it is and I pound out pushups and high rep bench to tighten it but doesn't do much good so last thing I need now is a sports bra
Excellent info brother......... you took time to type all that and i appreciate that big time!
You get karma points from me and i think the guys that create the forum protocols will follow me here............ keep up the good work bro eroids needs this type of detail in comment boxs.
Brother, you need to do some research! Nolva on cycle is a bad idea. An ai is not a necessity at the beginning of a cycle. Bloods determine ai use. Unneeded ai use crashes estro. Very bad. Why are you using prop? Whats your layout? What are your goals? You shouldnt have started without everything you need on hand. Everything.
What is your cycle exactly? Length and what your PCT consist of.
How far into this cycle are you?
List your exact pinning technique start to finish as well as the size needles you are using.
1st cycle took 1st shot (200mg cyp /100mg prop) Sunday and 2nd shot same dose thursday(today) so only 5days into cycle.
I plan on doing his for 10-12 weeks tapering off towards the end. I also have dianabol ( can I mix in same syringe and cyp or do I have to do 2 separate jabs??
I want to use midway thru cycle (4-6weeks) for a lil extra bulk. I also have some deca 300 on hand but not to sure I want to go that route if I do decide to do it will add mid cycle as well for 4-6weeks.
3. I am warming cyp/prob for about 2-3min in hot water then sterilizing with cotton balls.
Using 25 gage needle to draw 1mg cyp then 1mg prop.
Sterilizing outer quad then holding needle straight up and down and just pushing it into my quad at a moderate speed (doesn't hurt) slowing injecting for approx 1.5 min and pulling straight out and watching to see if oil or blood come out. Swab again and bandage. I will use technique "Big" just described. I wasn't leaving needle in after I pushed all the oil in and wasn't rubbing it either but will do now. Thanks guys I wasn't expecting this kind of support I guess I don't know half as much as I thought
For post cycle was planning on staying on LIQUIDEX, liver kidney cleanse and Novaldex. Considering OSTARINE. Still learning about that one
That prop is really an ed injection. Once a week will only give you a spike for a coupla days and not accomplish much.
My advice would be to forgo the deca and dbol for awhile in favor of gaining experience with a few test only cycles. No need to taper off with test. Do you know when to start pct on that cyp??
Edit: Had to walk off for a few while I was typing and pin beat me to the punch. Dammit. He used to do that all the time. ;)
No I was going to start pct as soon as my last cyp shot
PCT starts 2 weeks after last shot. You need let the Test C clear your system before you start rebooting your natural test production..
Little longer with the cyp
First cycle should be 1 compund only. So in your case Test Cyp, and nothing else. Follow the pinning protocol above. Only thing I would add is putting a fresh needle on after drawing and before injecting. Do not use hot water to warm hear you will increase the chances of bacteria forming. DRY heat only.
Your PCT needs to consist of Clomid and Nolva for at least 4 weeks. I suggest you research PCT. I'm assuming liquidex is liquid Adex? If so I wouldn't run that through PCT.
One compound only. Got it. The dianabol are pills that's ok right?
Sorry guys still haven't figured out how to give ull KARMA POINTS. Ok I have enough nolva I'll get some cloud Asap.
No compounds are just simply steroids, so while your D-bol is in pill form it is still considered a compound. Test only. Personally I think for at least two cycles so you see how you react to it. Then add one compound at a time in the future. I would spend a lot of time reading about each and every steroid to have an understanding of them.
Here's a good place to start.
(https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/recommended-d...)
(https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...)
That's pretty disappointing but glad I know before I started dbol sounds like a nice way to some good bulk. Thanks bro I'll start on that link u sent me preciate you man!!
So cyp/weights/diet and don't do A..I till i get blood work
Have your A/I on hand. Look up signs of High Estro, i.e., sore nipples, retaining water, mood swings, there are numerous things. If you feel them starting then take your A/I, but yes blood work will tell you exactly where you are at. Usually with a long ester like Cyp it'll be 3-4 weeks before you'll notice any sides or results for that matter.
I would drop the prop for your first cycle. Especially sense you don't have a grasp on e2 control.
Shots should be smooth and painless. Some gear may leave you a little sore with pip.
You should have everything on hand before starting your cycle. Nolva is not an ai and will not decrease e2.
E2 control?? Ok thanks I'll drop the prop till I get Liquidex in.
What Viking said below. Not to be a dick, but you need to do some serious research bro. AAS use is not something to take lightly. If you stop now you will not having any issues 2 pinns in. Take some time to put together a solid cycle with ai in place and PCT. Also Blood work is vital. Get blood pre cycle, mid cycle and post pct. Best of luck to you.
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He means Estrogen bro............. leads to aromatisation which is the root of gyno problems being a major curse in your anabolic adventure.
FAILURE TO PLAN IS A PLAN TO FAIL. (Words to live by, especially in this game).