1st Cycle Review
This is my first cycle, I've read through the stickies and have a few questions at the end.
First my stats and goals:
Age - 28
Height - 6' 2"
Weight - 240
BF - Scale says 20% and that feels about right, I have a 6 pack, but not ripped
Goals - I do strongman/powerlifting, I am not super concerned with how I look, but don't want to be fat. I would rather look like Derek Poundstone in his prime than be shredded.
Powerlifting numbers: Bench - 425 / Squat - 585 / Dead - 655
Strongman lifts: Axel Clean and Press - 315 / Yoke - ~780 ~20ft / Farmers Carry - 635 ~20ft
My reason for considering steroids is that over the last couple of years I have noticed a steady decline in recovery and metabolism, and I have noticed my strength begin to taper. I would like to start increasing my weights steadily and begin entering into amateur strongman comps for fun.
This is what I'm thinking for my first cycle:
Week - 1-12 500mg Test E
- PCT:
Week - 14-16 6mg Aromasin EOD
Week - 14-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50
- OR -
Week - 1-12 500mg Test E
Week - 4-14 6mg Aromasin ED
- PCT:
Week 14-16 Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50
Question 1: should I run HCG with my cycle?
Question 2: In the sticky: "Cycles; the safe way" it is recomended to run an AI throughout the cycle from week 4 and on and stop when you begin the Nolva/Clomid PCT. However in the Sticky: "Pre-Cycle Protocol" it is recommended to run an AI only for the first 2 weeks of your PCT. Which do you guys prefer?
Question 3: I am really trying to keep this first cycle simple... but would you guys recommend adding another compound in to help with my strength/recovery goals?
Through reading a lot of the posts, people seem split on AIs some don't use them, others swear by them. I really like the benefits they offer based on my research, but I am very curious what your guys opinions are.
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I would run hcg at the very end about 5 days before concluding your cycle. I always liked the 10,000 i.u. protocol 1000 i.u. daily for 10 days. Then start your clomid for a month. 100 mg first 2 weeks 50 mg last 2 weeks. 500 mgs of test weekly i personally wouldn't run an a.i. but im not sensitive to estro sides. I recommend having it on hand though in case you do experience estro sides especially at higher bf%
RustyhookerSo when the guys with a phd attached to their names and blood tests prove his estro stops pct from working, you do both? Thats just crap info. Hcg at 10x the needed dose, all estro....wow
Here...let the big dawgs help
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-l...
Rustyhookerrun an AI throughout the cycle from week 4 and on and stop when you begin the Nolva/Clomid PCT.
Get a bloodtest week 4/5 to see if you need as i and are able to see how much is needed. We advised start at week 4 because nokne wants science proof. They want a short cut.
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Fact....low or crashed e2 and muscle growth stops. Too high and you can bloat, zits, nip issues, moody.etc
TronGood job Rusty.. Constantly sharing your vast amount of knowledge with the rest of the community making it a better place every day. The amount of knowledge that you have stored in your little midget mind blows me away and makes me wonder just how you store that amount of knowledge inside such a small head...Or are you one of those midgets with a giant head and small body??
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Thanks for the info, really, I am definitely getting a blood test during this quarantine just to see my baseline numbers. I'll post that up somewhere, when I get the results.
RustyhookerGood to hear big bro! Make life easy and enjoy the growth
No other compounds. It gets messy because if you get a shitty side effect you won’t know what’s causing it. If you’re just taking test, you know it’s the test.
Good stats and numbers. You’re a little stronger than I was on bench but other than that similar to my starting strength. You’ll benefit much more from the juice now than these kids who take tren trying to get their bench up to 200lbs for a 1rm.
Thanks man, I've been really holding off on getting into roids despite a bunch of guys trying to get me on them in the past 3 or 4 years. It is definitely concerning to see some 20yo who is 150lbs trying to get on heavy shit.
Thanks for the feedback. I really want to run Deca as well for the joint benefits and strength/size gains, but it seems very heavy from what I'm reading.
I understand the appeal of deca for those reasons. Deca is not something I would recommend unless you plan on staying on for the rest of your life. You can get some nice joint benefits from hgh without the permanent shutdown some guys get from deca.
It’s individual so you may not have that experience, but I’ve seen guys take a full year to recover from deca, and some who are trt only now because of it.
Agreed, I'd stay away from deca. I never made great gains and i always lost my sex drive and look softer using it. Used it my very first cycle along with test cyp and my dick was broke for 3 months after i took my last injection. With proper hcg/clomid pct my total test level only recovered to the mid 300's. Those were the days when Mexico had the gear on lock with veterinary juice. Quality vet deca 300 and test cyp 200
yeah def not trying to break my dick! I really am not too concerned with looking soft... I'll take strength over veins any day, that's just me.
But yeah Deca might be a too strong for my first run... on second thought, I'm trying to take whatever Thor and Larry are bastering in their ass
For strength, i would probably chose a mild oral for instance anavar or winstrol. It cost more than the other powerhouse oral like anadrol and dbol , won't give you the size but you can make excellent strength gains and also, no estro side effects a lot less toxic. Also, these compounds will allow the testosterone to work better by lowering SHGB and can help blunt estrogen to where you may not need a a.i. plus you will see your physique change for the better even if your diet is high in calories you will look better. Take your time and always practice safe form to keep from injuries
AnonSome guys don't get on cycle blood work, they just wont do it, I recommend they research what high and low estrogen sides are so they can recognize them better. And to take a preemptive approach to combating high estrogen by running a low dose AI starting 2 weeks on cycle, adjust as needed, then run the AI into PCT a week or two while tapering the dose down to nothing. That's bro science af I know, but if you're not gonna get blood work on cycle I think it's better than doing nothing until your nipples start hurting.
This is the safe approach I think I will do.
Now, say I am running aromasin on cycle and start getting puffy nips or something, would I be better to up the dose of aromasin, or just keep the aromasin as is and take Nolva ED until it goes away.?
In my opinion you should keep the aromasin at the same dose, if you raise it to much you take a big chance of raising your cholesterol levels to high, nolva til it goes away i say.
TronI think the most important thing that stands out most from this post is the fact you said you have 20 percent body fat with a six pack. That's pretty impressive.
haha, your definition of a six pack may be different from mine, I can see the ab dimples, I call that a six pack. Luckily, I gain most of my fat on my thighs and my ass, my wife doesn't mind.
TronMy body tends to store all my fat in my shlong.
Damn Bro! your wife really doesn't mind
josipgates2.run AI only if u need it,your bloodwork will tell u everything and u can also feel some symptoms of high estrogen like water retention, nipple tenderness etc
3.first cycle no need bro,just test with good diet and training and u will have great results
Good to know, I am looking into blood work, but not really sure where to start, i have a Dr provided by my work, and havn't ever had to go out for a random Dr let alone to ask for specific blood work... maybe some suggestions there could help.
You probably want to avoid having your regular, or employer provided Dr. running your bloods. Any abnormal hormonal levels, and there will be abnormal hormonal levels, May have them asking questions that could potentially cause you problems w/your insurer or employer. As my man Rusty stated above, privatemdlabs has the test you want. You have it drawn at a local labcorp or similar place and and you're gtg. Good luck on your 1st run.
Thanks man, all great info so far! I am going to see about getting labs done while I'm in quarantine and post up results, would that maybe help decide better what i should be running in the first place?