posted Thu, 08/01/2013 - 17:55
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What do I do with this tamoxifen?
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I finally got a script a while back for test cyp. I ask the endo for some aromasin or arimidex but he wont let me have it and gives me tamoxifen instead. The dosage is 20mg twice daily. When the pharmacy filled the script they gave me a 3 month script so now I have 180 20mg tabs. The thing is... I'm TRT and if I'm not going through PCT what good are they? They don't have any value for use during a cycle do they?
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Vewiincreases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone. And also helps block estrogen. However, it helps your body increase your sperm count However, you still needed it because it does increase your LH and FSH which we need for healthy testis.
AnonMAN I"M GLAD YOU ARE BACK!
Should I use it on the blast or cruise? and it doesn't inhibit any of the benefits of AAS?
Vewinope you can stay on it the whole time. IMO I would cut the pill in half and just take one 10mg ED..
Anon2 thumbs up for you my friend!
Thats what I will do!
Vewianytime brother.
no they do not. the only benefit they have while on is if you have some testicular atrophy or want to get a lil ass but for these uses i would only use it for that "special ocassion" lol ya know so the lady dont laugh at ya
AnonHey buddy, good to see you. It seems like I was reading somewhere that using tamoxifen on cycle can actually inhibit the gains you get from AAS, ever heard of that?
if i get really puffy ill hit about 40-50mg from time to time with it. my biggest issue with it, is everytime i take it it swells up my prostate and for the next couple days pooping is nearly impossible and painful. seems to kill me in the gym too. i think thats just because its a high dose AI and im dried out. you cant make gains with low estrogen or being dehydrated. so it makes sense for it to inhibit gains while on it. ive noticed even a low 20mg dose seems to hold me back a bit. i can bench 315 for 10 typically, when i take it, i can barely get 6. so i would comfortably say for me its holding me back from progress
AnonI take AI religiously, so take this in conjuction with aromasin, adex and caber? no probs?
this goes to the everyone is different, and we all respond differently. seems youre getting conflicting info from me and vewi, im not a fan of stimulating lh and fsh while on. its like trying to drive a car with the e brake on imo. as far taking it with other AI. i have tripled up on AI in the past to get my crazy high e2 levels in control as fast as possible. you can safely take multiple Ai's at the same time, if you need them and if they do different things. take for example adex and aro, one blocks the receptor the other kills the E2, to me this is a fantastic combo for those that have E2 issues like me.
Vewinothing wrong with the E break on. Just like HCG on cycle what do you think your doing Driving with the E break on... Cause when your Ebreak is on all you have to do is let go and your moving forward right away instead of being parked.
to me so long as your putting in test your body wants to be shut down. stimulating these hormones while the body wants to be off is what i meant. its like flipping a light switch on and off repeatedly, eventually the bulb burns out. im not saying this may or will be the case, but essentially youre trying to turn something on that wants to be off, and how many times can you do that be something goes wrong, imo just leave it off, reboot it when you need it when your body is ready to be "on" for good. i know there is a bit of conflicting ideas here but im all for the safest route. whats your thoughts on it. ive read a few studies on over stimulation while on and those were with lh and or fsh stimulating products. all resulted in poor, hard or low reboot. effectively causing those to need trt because of the added strain the htpa endured. im also aware one study or 3 isnt always the way it is, but its enough to consider the consequences
Vewiits on so you testies are working normal. Even if you don't need the LH to turn to Test. Why do you think people that do AAS get testies cancer cause they don't follow this simple rule of keeping them healthy no they just let them shrink to a grape.
Could u elaborate on testicular cancer. I'm aware of the risk of prostrate cancer but this has been linked to estrogen more commonly in AAS users. Sorry if I come off wrong. I mean no disrespect or offense I not aware of testicular cancer and the relationship to AAS use. I have no doubt you're credible but can you explain a little more. I'll look into it also. I'm all about learning more and correcting what I do know. I am aware of the risk of certain kinds of cancer while using. what I have learned has linked them to high estrogen.
Vewiyes and i'll get you the info for you..
What happens is when your testis stop working for to long, and is not producing LH or FSH, what happens is Estro will start to hid in the testes and over time leads to test cancer becuse your testis are not running correctly..
Thats why now when you get on TRT the doctor does start to give you Nova, or clomid. Even Adex, because these 3 do have an effect on LH to some extent and your testis think its doing a job instead of being dormant.
the reason why some AAS user get it is because they dont use anything like that when on trt..
However, pros that blast and cruise well they use mast and prov and other things that actully produce LH in the testis or the use HCG cause they want to have Kids.
Thank you. It makes sense to. I was a little in the loop on it with estrogen being the cause root from AAS use. Good thing I run masteron. I would think than toremifene would be a better choice than tamoxifen. What do u think? Thanks to for the Food for thought. Now I got something new to research. Since I'm basically B&C'ing these days.
Vewiit doesn't matter just a low does, of water every you take. Low LH leads to test cancer rare but does. However, mostly prostate cancer. But either way we need LH being produced. Its like tricking your body.