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Supplements for PCT?

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Cycle ended today so I start PCT in 2 weeks. I have clomid, nolva, and aromasin. I also plan to get some vit D.

I was wondering if there’s anything else I could take that would help boost testosterone like a test booster (Muscletech Alpha Test was recommended to me) or even turkesterone/ecdysterone?

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Your touted blood forum is a joke. You think you are clever saving money by doing a female test? there is a male version you dumb ass
https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=3104&category=...
its $95
yours for females $76
https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=3106&category=...

Can you see the difference? Its the PSA value, the tests are the exactly the same except the male follow up has PSA added because females do not have a prostate.

On top of all that your values will out of range more because females have different reference ranges, making interpreting your lap results is more difficult.

You are permanently demoted in my eyes to a pink badge. How did you ever get that much rep?

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@BFG can I get this guy demoted down to pink badge?

please use this whole forum post as a reference

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@Rustyhooker, @HanginLow cool the fuck down. Tagging me to get invovled in this petty fucking shit?
I'm telling you, you do not really want me invovled.

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Been hiding...O there ya go

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O shit..walked into a mufffuckin war zone! Fire works started early.. Be EASY!

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https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=3104&category=...

you are a fucking idiot you are not saving anyone money you are giving bad advice

USE THE MALE HORMONE TEST IF YOU ARE A WEE WEE IT INCLUDES E2

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12-week-old rats that had undergone cavernous nerve crush injury

All I can picture is some intern out there in a lab yeeting rats with a hammer…

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How’d you get a picture of my dick.

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Right in the dick too

limp dick rats maybe it is more applicable to humans then I thought LOL

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That’s the only way I can get off. Hammer to the dick. That and midget tranny porn.
You know.. the usual stuff.

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LOL

now I know why you always got your eye on rusty

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"we administered ICA as a daily supplement or a single dose in healthy 12-week-old rats that had undergone cavernous nerve crush injury." "1 mg/kg, 5 mg/kg, or 10 mg/kg. "

"Testosterone levels in control and 1 mg/kg ICA-treated animals were higher than what was observed in sham animals whereas higher doses of ICA were associated with lower serum testosterone levels" "The standard deviation of the mean was large between groups; there was no significant difference in LH expression." LH being the main one here we wanna raise, not good

"It is implied that regardless of its effects on serum T, ICA does not impact pituitary LH expression. It is possible that ICA may influence aromatase or 5-alpha reductase activity in vivo and thereby modulate serum T levels without directly impacting LH secretion"

Did you read this study Hook? Cuz it saying it would be a better 5aR inhibitor than a test booster
2nd study:
"Testosterone levels increased significantly with increasing icariin dose from 50 to 100 mg/kg " so for 100kg male that is 5,00mg...... no lemme know how easy that would be
https://nootropicsdepot.com/horny-goat-weed-capsules-minimum-10-icariin/...
so 2 rat studies done on injured rats

Live and learn, you should of just said your bottom statement, stick to anecdotal if you dont have the research

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so 10caps a day from an ebay source to recreate 1 study done on injured rats to maybe increase sperm count

a good pct supp would raise LH and FSH

HGW = Trash

red text = not necessary

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What part of anything I said above makes you think I am upset, you are the one who stooped to personal insults which is really embarrassing and an indication of desperation.

Yes 1 cap is 5000mg standardized to 10% icariin yielding 500mg of icariin per pill (did you read the product rusty?)
you would need 10 to get to the 5g mark and 20 per day to really do the most successful dose in the single study you posted of 100mg/kg.

Rusty think about that 20 pills a day from a sketchy ebay source to recreate 1 study done on penis crushed rats. LOL

remember the other study showed only the 1mg/kg dose to increase and actually higher doses REDUCED test

I am losing respect for you each time you try and die on this hill. Remove HGW from your mental recommendations. I will not be responding to this because you are not worth any more educating.

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What about aromasin? I think I read on a link Rusty posted that hCG causes a spike in estrogen levels? Or maybe another compound that works against test

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HCG is the best at raising LH and FSH

Supplements really only work at boosting testosterone unless there is a micronutrient/vitamin deficiency. zinc/d3/magnesium are the big 3 backed up by literature but if you are getting sufficient in diet these won't help, only if deficient. Hit the recommended daily amount for those through diet/supplementation.

I haven't had good luck with clients getting back in range with the pill only PCT. A proper pct also requires pretty frequent bloodwork to know where you are at. How shut down are you? What is was the baseline? Good luck brother

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What’s the best way to go about getting blood work? I tried to talk to my doctor about it awhile back but that proved to be a bad idea

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You gotta pay outta pocket man

https://synergisticlabs.net/products/testosterone-free-and-total-blood-m...

you want to get LH and FSH and Free and total test = $100

run your pct protocol to entirety

and test exact values again

add HCG if not in range

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Yep. Big 3. Now magnesium is gonna target freeing up testosterone to a certain extent. It has an interaction with shbg. I'd like to see a study on folks that are deficient and folks that aren't to truly gauge the effectiveness of this mineral. But definitely I'd think if your deficient you'd benefit the most. Still like to see a study though

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Dwayne always assume if I say something as an absolute that I have published medical research to back it up my friend.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3958794/

As stated in my first comment additional magnesium over the daily recommended value will not increase test, but it is a very common mineral deficiency in the US, you can look up the numbers.

magnesium involved in over 500 process in the body so I think it is a mandatory supplement IMO, great comment about SHBG I actually did not know that!

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Well you do know that studies do contradict one another my man...fact. We know this. And I'm pretty sure you had a study backing u up lol. I myself just didn't imagine this as I've read that study long ago backing up what I said.. Long ago. So basically you'd be saying one study is over the other because they are both studies. And besides that it's not even comparable to proviron at this effect

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Yes my friend, not all studies are equal though, the one I sent was very comprehensive in compiling all literature related to the subject.

  1. The Interplay between Magnesium and Testosterone in Physical Function

There is no data showing direct deficiency and increase in testosterone though, but many studies are cited showing the relationship between mag and test especially in athletes that have higher demand for Mag.

Essential supplement IMO

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Of course if a study isn't comprehensive then study is leaving too many variables on the table. Would be a guessing game at that point lol. Like I said study I read long ago was indeed comprehensive. I even remember the study with athletes and magnesium that u mentioned. There was controversy with that according to folks if I remember correctly

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Hahahaha "Horney Goat Weed". That's why ya rascal ass is sooo damn HORNY! With your 150,000 ng/dL test score! I Gotcha secret

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I am also a little confused by your statement? test boosters shut down test? I mean the worst they can do is not boost it... Negative feedback loop of the HPT axis caused by androgens is how you are shut down on cycle... This system is stimulated by PCT drugs through LH and FSH... test boosters usually are like HGW and Tribulus and do nothing according to research but will not shut you down since they are not androgens...

did you mean turkesterone/ecdysterone ?

from my understanding they both do not cause shutdown

maybe you can explain hook thanks

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This is my understanding as well but Viagra is a vasodilator not a aphrodisiac

HGW has some research for increasing sex drive to my knowledge but that is not the same as Testosterone increase

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Gotcha brother, 100%

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