Progesterone sides
So I am under the impression that if your estro is controlled you will not have problematic issues with progesterone sides, gyno!!! I'm running a new cycle of deca and am running aromasin with nolva( only because rolaxifene is harder to get domestic!) because I'm running anadrol 2 weeks on 1 off 2 weeks on... at start.. only have nolva for anadrol then will stop taking it.. being safe!!! deca dose is always low because I respond very very well to that compound.. should i be concerned and grab some cabergoline just in case? Figured this is the best place to ask!!! All feedback and personal exp. Will be greatly appreciated.. thanks!! ( I am gyno prone btw) not getting bloods until next week.. but just wanted feedback honestly!! I appreciate everyone that helps me and shares their knowledge!!
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Tamoxifen occupies cell receptors so that estrogen cant attach therefore preventing stimulation of growth in breast tissue.
All cells communicate and signal whilst shuttling.
In the processes of shuttling around, we get cell hijacking, cell death, cell mis-communication, etc etc, when nolva is attached to receptors that causes glitching, these other cells shuttle around the area, cant attach then get confused, they start trying to send signals and communicate with other cells around and thats what causes pgr responses, its the same way " anadrol" causes gyno basically, these confused signals actually trigger activity and activate certain receptors that arent occupied by serm.
They just wanna do what they are meant for, get blocked then " get confused".
Can cause the lactation and shit like that.
The other reason is because when men take tamoxifen citrate in the first 7-10 days our systems recognise it as female hormones until it homeostates it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8740191/ intetesting... so many different studies on it https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7430882/
Never run a 19nor without caber on hand. Prolactin can still creep with estro in range so you may still need it even with proper estro leves.. Estro gets out of whack and then progesterone sides are likely to follow so you for sure don't want that to happen.
I ordered p5p its supposedly just as good with low doses of deca... tren is a dif story
I really only trust caber.
Hi. Stop using nolva( tamox) with nandrolons and trenbolons, u r making just worst progesterone. Use toremifene , tamox is FCK joke with DECA or tren. If u r taking tamox be ready to wear a bra as well. For prolactine take caber 0.25 once a week or once in 10 days
AnonI'm interested in hearing more about using Nolva with 19-nors. Whatever you got. Anecdotal or studies to link. I have a completely different experience several times over so I'm interested in hearing more. I also take Caber at .25mg to .5mg 2x a week when I take Caber, have done so several times. Currently taking .25mg 2x a week with Test, Deca, Mast.
I added 2 studies up top
I've done alot of research and theres mixed reviews and studies... google says it's a myth that nolvadex increases progesterone.. another study says it upregulated females only not in males... so idk I guess I'll get caber just in case and get bloods this week and well go from there
I appreciate the feed back.. will place an order just in case.. I was hearing about b6 and p5p(if I remember correctly)?? A B-vitamin that I heard also helps... idk maybe I'll grab a pack of caber just in case... only 2 weeks in so it hasnt peaked yet.. hard finding it domestically but I'll figure it out!!
AnonYes. Better safe than sorry.
RustyhookerI like caber on hand just incase. B6 at 300mg daily has shown to help with prolactin as well. Bloods are the ultimate guide. Read up on b6 a lil...its suprising. With e2 in good range typically ok but b6 is right with my morning supps on cycle.
I keep extras just incase....aro, gear, pins etc. Oddball things incase tne or dbol if e2 crashes, caber, nolva, anything breakable. Ive been on a cycle where my body just isnt responding like typical and switch gear.
Anon300mgs of B6 daily can't hurt. And searching "B6 reduce prolactin" online does pop up some studies to support what you said. Nothing found online about 300mgs of B6 daily causing vit toxicity or vit imbalance, so it appears to be a safe daily dosage to take.
RustyhookerThe old med sites gave a toxicity warning but since then theyve all been removed as research updated. Folks started looking at b6 bout a decade ago as an offset to tren cycles vs caber.
Research shows caber is med grade prolactin control and its strong. The medical dosing for caber is also a ton higher than bodybuilding use so it looks safe on paper as well. Since those days there has been a few folks got ed from smashing the prolactin which then cause more research since males dont appear to need it. New research shows the range for typical males and prolactin and shows medically you can get ed from squashing it. So much info overload! Lol
The base dose caber .25e3d but bloods will dictate needs. Posting this part since some do get raised prolactin even with e2 control. Maybe i can find that post...its cited and well written
Worth mentioning P5P is less toxic and over all more superior than b6.
Actually just ordered some
I wasn’t a fan of running it in the place of caber. I put this thread up which is a good read, EC ran the experiment with me and pulled bloods which was interesting. I say experiment but it was open knowledge on lots of other forums, eroids was just late to the party.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/prolactin-caber-and-b6
AnonMy E can be crashed and my pro high at the same time. I often hear they are connected and if E2 is kept under control then prolactin can't rise but this simply isn't true. If it was true then bodybuilders wouldn't run Prami or Caber with 19-nors, they'd just stick to AI's and E blockers.
.25mg every 3.5 days is what I'm running now. I take it when I pin, Monday morning and Thursday afternoon. I've run .5mg 2x a week too without issue, snapping the oval pharma grade 1mg in half.
Every year, the info changes on this one, and it makes me dizzy to try and make a plan, but I do know that on 19-nors, 1/2 tab of Caber will clear up sides associated like itchy, white tipped nips. I may take it twice in one week, but over a 16-week cycle, I will only used 3-4 complete tabs of Caber. I read a lot saying to avoid Caber because of (dopamine?) affects, then I read about people who pop it just to keep boners.... it can be tedious. I so agree; however, never start a 19-nor without Caber on hand, but I don't use it prophylactically, just to relieve sides.
AnonThere's old and new info about B6 reducing prolactin. This is from 1979:
Source:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/569255/