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Hello,
Have a question. I have been on test cyp. 750 mgs, week for 8 weeks. Also have been on 25 mg exmenstane twice a day, total 50mgs per day. Has been great in keeping my estrogen in check which always gives me a fit In all my other cycles it's always be high. That dose has be good for me. At week 6 I added masteron at 100 mgs per week, I know that's low but I've never used it before and want to see how I would respond. Almost immediately my shoulders started killing me. Alful aching and very painful. Stopped the masteron after a week and half thinking it would clear up and it hasn't. Well thought I might've crashed my estrogen or e2 low, so I stopped the exmenstane 2 days ago. I'm having all the same sides of high estrogen except the achy shoulder joints. I know one of the sides from masteron is dry joints and thought maybe that's what it was. Now I'm not sure. I know blood work is the best way to know for sure but I'm not able to just go get bloods done where I live. Any input or opinion would be greatly appreciated. I was planning on running my test cyp. for 12 weeks and add the masteron for last 6.
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First and foremost Masteron also acts as an Estrogen blocker like Aromasin. Unfortunately I've experienced the same/similar sides that you are going through during my last cycle. Now I wasn't on as much Aromasin as you were (was taking 25mg ed and then eod, which I believe is still too much), but my Estrogen levels completely crashed and my libido took a shit. I cut back on the mast, eliminated the Aromasin, basically, and doubled my test shots, and it seemed to work for me. I'd just run the Nolva as suggested and maybe a small dose of aromasin (12.5 every 4-5 days) until you feel better. It was a bitch for me to recover tbh, but you will.
Thanks for your reply
That is a shit ton of Aromasin. I've never seen someone take that much. Unfortunately, too many variables to make a diagnosis without bloodwork. Maybe the aromasin is fake, maybe you have crashed your estro. Perhaps work backwards and drop masteron to start. Take one variable out of the equation.
The symptoms of high estro mimic low estro and it isn't easy to differentiate, especially with the sides you mentioned. Those can be from a bunch of factors.
Why has estro been a problem before...gyno?
Thanks for reply, have already dropped mast. a week and half ago. Sides still present. I talked to a lot of old timers that have trouble with estrogens. They all take 50 mgs and have been for some time with no troubles. I thought it was high also but felt good for the first 6 weeks. Gyno prone with terrible estrogen sides.
Do you have gyno symptoms now? If your estro is high and you are susceptible, you should be feeling it I would imagine.
Just the itching
DROP the aro, ADD Nolva 20mg ed, adding nolva WILL block gyno from forming but will not lower estro so this is your best option with no bloods.
Thank you for the replies
If I were in your situation and absolutely could not get bloodwork and assume that everything you are using is legit, I would drop the test to 500mg/week, drop the aromasin, add in nolva at 10-20mg/day for gyno prevention and stop the cycle at 10 weeks. I would continue with nolva all the way through PCT.
I would figure out how to get bloodwork before starting next cycle, if that is even possible in your country.
Thank you for the replies
High estro and low estro can be very similar, There is no way you have high estro if your aro is legit running at 50 mg a day. You guys really need to be careful with this shit! If u can't get bloods just start with a small dose like 6.25 ed or just run a little bit of nolva with your cycle and you wont get gyno.
With that being said and I stop the aro. what's the time frame for restoring estrogen if still pinning 750 week of cyp.? Should I add some dbol in since it aromatize quick?
That's the tricky part about this. Test cyp doesn't kick in until ~ 5 weeks so the fact that his sides kicked in week 6 would be indicative of bunk aromasin and the estro sides emerging; however, low estro sides take awhile to kick in too and this could be just how long it took him to notice. I agree though, if that aromasin is legit, then crashed estro would be most obvious. Tough, bloodwork is necessary to make correct changes. Shit, I have sore shoulders with high and low estro.
agreed!
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50mg a day of aromasin? There is your problem. Thats powerful shit. most people would say 12.5mg ed for 750 test. drop the aromasin for a bit or drop it all together. There is no real way to be sure if you are doing enough with out bloods.
Mast acts as an anti-estrogen in the body. It's relatively low anabolic,androgenic. Cycle normally comprised large amounts of aromatase activity due to high doses of testosterone. You may have crashed. Adding 100mg per week isn't much.
I not re I follow, are you saying I crashed low or high? I'm a little confused about this because of all I know tells me my estrogen is high. Have all the sides, hot flashes, red face, red chest, not sleeping and anxiety. I know low can mimic high but I'm really not sure on this one. Not sure if I should stay off the ai or start them back.