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+ 1 HCG needed for 12 Week 500mg Test E only cycle?

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Doing a 12 week Test e 500mg p/w cycle (starting in a month - my first legit cycle).

I've got Nova and Clomid for PCT :
Week 1-12 Test E
Week 14-18 Clomid ED 100/100/50/50 ; Nolva ED 40/40/20/20

I am sourcing Aromasin before I start - waiting for it to arrive - advised to have it on hand if gyno symptoms occur. I have slight puberty gyno on my nipples so better safe than sorry.

I am also waiting to source HCG. Wanted to know - what week do I start HCG pins and what duration should I continue to administer? If needed at all?

94632733's picture

i have got a hcg vial from ab im not ever going to use, hate to see it go to waste,
any body needs it you got it 100 percent free as long as your in the states, none of my friends are gymrats, it expires in 2013 pm me also have unused t3 that i dont need from ab up for grabs

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I'll take it bro thanks! Sent you a PM...

mars1960's picture

PS: @ cdaddy.
He should def run HCG with his cycle, it has many benefits, least of which is improving recovery post cycle. Keep the testes functioning mate, that way come PCT time your leydig cells are receptive to the subsequent release of LH from the pituitary that the PCT are meds are trying achevie through influencing the negative feedback loop from the hypothalmus.
I have tons of clients that have thanked me so much for the HCG protocol i gave them and all have said how much easier PCT was, they were less moody, had more libido, recovered faster, all this leads to you keeping more of your gains post cycle.

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mars1960: given my simple cycle of Test E 500mg for 12 weeks - what dosages exactly do you recommend for me for HCG, when and how long should I start it and also what frequency of pinning? Thanks. I'm 32, 5ft6" 155lbs - thanks.

mars1960's picture

Iv'e just read the link by cdaddy, it's misinformed, this is according to the endocrinology society and all other studies carried out post 2010.
HCG doesn't have a half life, it's bi-phasic.
This is the resaon that the endocrinology society recommend once weekly injections.
After a 250iu shot of HCG your leydig cells are refractory to further stimulation for up to 96hrs.
Myself and all my clients run 750-1000iu once weekly from week 2 of cycle (this is when the pituitary stops producing natty LH) till start of PCT, this protocol works and works very well.
If you are gyno prone you should be using an AI on cycle anyway so gyno from increased testicular leydig cell activity should not be a problem.

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Thanks cdaddy7. I did not know that about HCG bro - thanks for the heads up. I don't have any pre-existing hypogonadism, but I was just hoping to ensure my boys make a full recovery haha. OK cool, if you think that on my current cyle design, the lads will be able to recover on their own, then I'll leave it out for now.

One more thing, can you detail a little more about the 'estrogen' complications HCG can introduce to a cycle? I'm curious... some vets have said they regret not using HCG in every single cycle they have ever run :(

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Given my puffy nipples from puberty - I think I will run Aromasin. Weeks 4-13 sounds good - cos still waiting for it to ship (ETA 7-14 days which is perfect). What dosage do you recommend - just the standard 25mg ED?

Thanks for the HCG input - Week 4-13 it is!

So from the weeks you've given me - AI's continue one week after the last Test injection and discontinue one week prior to start of PCT? Is that the norm?

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Perfect thanks bro!