posted Fri, 08/31/2012 - 12:56
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+ 1 HCG needed for 12 Week 500mg Test E only cycle?
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Doing a 12 week Test e 500mg p/w cycle (starting in a month - my first legit cycle).
I've got Nova and Clomid for PCT :
Week 1-12 Test E
Week 14-18 Clomid ED 100/100/50/50 ; Nolva ED 40/40/20/20
I am sourcing Aromasin before I start - waiting for it to arrive - advised to have it on hand if gyno symptoms occur. I have slight puberty gyno on my nipples so better safe than sorry.
I am also waiting to source HCG. Wanted to know - what week do I start HCG pins and what duration should I continue to administer? If needed at all?
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i have got a hcg vial from ab im not ever going to use, hate to see it go to waste,
any body needs it you got it 100 percent free as long as your in the states, none of my friends are gymrats, it expires in 2013 pm me also have unused t3 that i dont need from ab up for grabs
I'll take it bro thanks! Sent you a PM...
PS: @ cdaddy.
He should def run HCG with his cycle, it has many benefits, least of which is improving recovery post cycle. Keep the testes functioning mate, that way come PCT time your leydig cells are receptive to the subsequent release of LH from the pituitary that the PCT are meds are trying achevie through influencing the negative feedback loop from the hypothalmus.
I have tons of clients that have thanked me so much for the HCG protocol i gave them and all have said how much easier PCT was, they were less moody, had more libido, recovered faster, all this leads to you keeping more of your gains post cycle.
mars1960: given my simple cycle of Test E 500mg for 12 weeks - what dosages exactly do you recommend for me for HCG, when and how long should I start it and also what frequency of pinning? Thanks. I'm 32, 5ft6" 155lbs - thanks.
cdaddy7I agree to certain pt but what's the need for it on the first cycle at such a low dose. Now my info is based with the way a uro in my area prescribes. I know mds differ from dose to dose and protocol to protocol. I always try to be on the conservative side bc of the experiences I have had and researched. Getting older has forced me to think long term and safe. With test only I have not seen many cases of major shut down to warrant HCG, but I have def seen it in longer cycles and the combo of other compounds and larger doses for sure. It's expensive to be able to run it thru the whole cycle so thats why I always sway to not using it unless really necessary. That's why i tell them ultimately the choice is theirs but weigh all ur options and choose the best one for u and most of all have all ur gear and ancillary meds on board before you start. +1 for excellent input bc I def do not claim to know everything and a fresh new look at things is always welcome in my book. Thanks my man.
And i would not be offended if you post ur input in my thread as well so that the community can read it too. I value ur input and it brings more education to the table for others and I learn to as well. Thanks again
Iv'e just read the link by cdaddy, it's misinformed, this is according to the endocrinology society and all other studies carried out post 2010.
HCG doesn't have a half life, it's bi-phasic.
This is the resaon that the endocrinology society recommend once weekly injections.
After a 250iu shot of HCG your leydig cells are refractory to further stimulation for up to 96hrs.
Myself and all my clients run 750-1000iu once weekly from week 2 of cycle (this is when the pituitary stops producing natty LH) till start of PCT, this protocol works and works very well.
If you are gyno prone you should be using an AI on cycle anyway so gyno from increased testicular leydig cell activity should not be a problem.
cdaddy7If you had puberty gyno then you are automatically gyno prone so on AI integration on cycle is wise and the Aromasin is a great choice. I would start it at 12.5mg every three days first and if symptoms start close the gap and run it every other day and tweak the dose if symptoms persist. I def would NOT implement HCG in this Test only cycle because you are only adding more estrogen issues in the mix. We want your first cycle to be simple and the need for HCG is obsolete unless you have a pre-existing condition of hypogonadism. +1 for doing your research and waiting until you have everything on hand before you start. Excellent cycle plan!!
Thanks cdaddy7. I did not know that about HCG bro - thanks for the heads up. I don't have any pre-existing hypogonadism, but I was just hoping to ensure my boys make a full recovery haha. OK cool, if you think that on my current cyle design, the lads will be able to recover on their own, then I'll leave it out for now.
One more thing, can you detail a little more about the 'estrogen' complications HCG can introduce to a cycle? I'm curious... some vets have said they regret not using HCG in every single cycle they have ever run :(
cdaddy7Read this post bro. It will help you understand:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/hcg-what-is-it...
MultipurposeDon't wait for gyno symptoms to run the aromasin, run it from week 4 -13 at least, better to be safe than sorry, you don't want that estrogen to build up at all, best to keep it at optimal levels. IMO you don't need the hcg for a simple cycle like that but people say it helps with recovery. So if you want, run it from week 4-13 at 250iu twice a week(same days as test not in the same needle)
Given my puffy nipples from puberty - I think I will run Aromasin. Weeks 4-13 sounds good - cos still waiting for it to ship (ETA 7-14 days which is perfect). What dosage do you recommend - just the standard 25mg ED?
Thanks for the HCG input - Week 4-13 it is!
So from the weeks you've given me - AI's continue one week after the last Test injection and discontinue one week prior to start of PCT? Is that the norm?
Multipurpose12.5 eod would be good to start and if you experience any problems you can up the dose from there. You can run ai all the way up to pct if you want.
Perfect thanks bro!