HCG after last shot
I realize this is supposed to be in PCT forum but I think it is more widely based than that. That being said here is my question.
If I am taking Test E for 10 weeks at 500mg every ten days with intervals of 250 mg every five day, then what is the purpose of waiting 10 days after my last shot since the Concentration Steady State (Css) at that point is 637 mg and that's at 85 days?
That means in 10.5 days from my last shot (and this is not with prop added in either which would change the number significantly), my new concentrated load would be 318 approximately and 10.5 days later you would have half of that. At what does the HCG overcome elimination factor and increase natty production? Truthfully full elimination is more like 185 days on a cycle like I just described. Does anybody really know the balance point where HCG is most effective? Why not just start your first shot after day one? Unless the idea is to start the HCG right after the concentrated plasma level is below the therapeutic range? This also begs the question as to the effectiveness of taking HCG while on cycle and then tamping is up for PCT. The way I see it its not as simple as just waiting one half life interval before starting your full PCT.
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Love this dialogue. I too am coming to the end of my test E cycle. I already have the Aromasin Nolva and Clomid in hand. Any recommendations on which source to purchase HCG from?
zewiOK.. Here we go I’ll type slowly.. lol
If you take HCG on cycle it does only one thing—IT STOPES YOUR BALLS FROM SHRINKING!!!
If you take HCG after cycle—and you are on TEST E you should wait 15 days and then do a 10-12 day blast of HCG and then start your PCT(remember to take an AI when using HCG as it converts to estor and stay on your AI during that 15 days. )—Your Test Level will dramatically fall after 15 days because Test E half-life is over— So by taking HCG after 15 days you do two things.
--You wake up your balls
--your balls actually increase LH and FH production—which if you have low test is a good thing, and would work for a normal person, however we are talking about AAS—with AAS your estro will spike after cycle so you need a PCT..HCG starts you—Clomid and Nova Finish you.
Because you are taking an AI when using HCG on the blast you are blocking estro which allows HCG to do its Job—but then comes your PCT which you should start 2 days after your last HCG shot.
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
You may consider running 6.25mg EOD on Weeks 1-4 if you feel 12.5mg is too strong
Now that Your Balls are awake—it actually makes Clomid job easier -- Clomiphene--works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone.
Nova--increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, if. And also helps block estrogen.
LH--is what the body uses to make Test.
How your testis make natural testosterone.
(REMEBRER TESTOSTERONE DOES TRUN INTO ESTROGEN)
Leyding cells(your testis)---->produce Test------>(some turns in to estrogen)-------------->pituitary Gland(Makes LH)----LH goes to------>Leyding cells make Natural Test--------and the process starts again...
If you have to much estrogen well there is not enough natural Test hitting the pituitary so the pituitary can not make LH...
How Clomid works
Leyding cells(your testis)---->produce Test------>(some turns in to estrogen)-------------->Clomid blocks estrogen from hitting the pituitary(now the pituitary can make LH)pituitary Gland(Makes LH)----LH goes to------>Leyding cells make Natural Test--------and the process starts again...
Clomid is what gets your natural test going, you take nova to block even more estrogen to help the process.
cdaddy7Great mothalovin job on that my homie Z!!!!! Excellent layout bro!!! +1
What is the half life of Test E and what exactly is a half life? How does the process work after ten weeks of 500 a week? What is the total elimination time required for there to be no more test e in your plasma levels?
cdaddy7Half-life is the time required for a quantity to fall to half its value as measured at the beginning of the time period by definition.....This means that Test E has a half life of 10-11 days it peaks around 4-5 days....That's why we recommend a split dose during the week for the sake of stable blood levels....and also that's why we say 14 days until PCT to give it time for the plasma levels to drop some...its safe to say that by week 3 or 4 but is truly based on your body chemistry and its ability to metabolize and eliminate the compound from the system...Everyone is different in this aspect... some ppl levels drop faster than others do and the same will be for clearance of the compound completely...However, the trace molecules can be dectected from 90 days plus for test and up to even a year with compounds like deca...Its all about you and your body, but rule of thumb is what we go by when recommending...you have to learn your body and how it works to get the the true facts concerning you
I dont think my question was understood fellas. My point is that the HCG is supposed to rapidly increase natural production through tricking the feedback loops to the pituitary into actually increasing LH and FH. However it is competing with 600 plus mg ten days after the last shot. I never do a cycle without HCG so I am well aware of the impact on quick homeostatic state to the body which allows us to keep the most gains right? But research has brought me to the conclusion that waiting until the first interval half life of any injection may not be the most optimal way to go.
Anonlook in my posts bro and read zewi's awesome post on my shit all ur hcg shit will be answered
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Its already been fully answered in forums repeatedly. If you review the CORRECT section.
That is all.....
Fast I have read all the PCT forums and it seems there is just as much misunderstanding on there as anywhere. I have found several studies in medical journals that suggest strongly that there is an obvious positive result and increase to hypogonadism production. However, they do not address my question and I have not found any answers throughout the forums either.
I may be wrong ..IMO...this is a simple way to look at it...the synthetic test has built up inside our body and 14 days after our last shot there are still large amounts of test in our systems...but I do not think it competes with the injected HCG...the large amount of test may slow the natural production from the leydig cells...but it does not block the actions of HCG...HCG does its thing and helps the body recoup its natural production via tricking the feedback loop system...I may not have conveyed this the best but basically HCG does what it does..regaurdless of the excess synthetic testosterone from the cycle..and it would be benefitting to the user to start HCG ON cycle and continue through the first elimination half life of AAS used ..ie for 14to days after last test shot..so at the end of the first half life when levels are falling but still remain to some degree the HCG has done its work!..kinda like wearing a seatbelt with no accident ...it may not of been needed that day..but its better to prepare for all situations ..thus boost natural test production eveb while synthetic test is causes suppression ...
lastly on average 5half lifes and most drugs are under detection levels ..that's an average..could be 7 or 3..depends alot on metabolism of the individual ...
hopes this helps this discussion
ONCE test E has reached its first half life(11 days) it still is causing suppression of natural production and remains at high levels in our body....so Start HCG ten days after last test E shot...(3 days Test P etc..)weeks thus boosting natural production even though test levels are high ...why ten days...bc the test has diminished to half..you body feels this and HCG helps wake up natty and production ...if you did it one day after like you asked above...there would be alot of viable synthetic test available ...so wait one elimination half life ..or even two...but the earlier the better!
An endocrinologist I have spoke with said this.."start it one week after and take 1000iu everyday for 11to days"..thats just one idea...its all a game of chemistry and numbers..its very interesting and I think thats what keeps us all hearit in discussion and sharing ideas and modification of course between different people with different results..to learn and perfect...whats the perfect cycle..no one knows and thats why its fun and entertainment