+ 1 Guidance with PCT/Recovery issue
40yrs old
205lbs about 8% bf.
Diet and training good (5x a week.)
16week cycle:
Test-E 400 mg wk 200/200 1-16
Deca 300 mg wk 150/150 1-12 (never had any problems running Deca. No D.D.)
Tren E 300 mg wk 150/150 9-15 (tapered)
Anavar (Liquid) 25 mg x2 ED 11-16 (But dropped Anavar close to 4 weeks in. I started retaining a lot of water, and didn't think my Anavar was legit at that point, so I kicked it and started drying back up.) Read that the liquid could have possibly been D-bol? Anyways.
Arimadex and Caber as needed. With stander PCT 2 weeks after last pin.
(I tapper)
Clomid 100/100/50/50/ taper 25
Nova 40/40/20/20/ taper 10
Both were liquids, and I didn't like them. This is the second time with liquids that I've had a bad/rough reset (not sure if they're at fault though)
So my cycle went great. I got very good results, and am I getting closer to my goals. The problem im having is with my PCT, and resetting. It's a few weeks over a month AFTER my PCT now, and im just not right still. I was able to get my bloods done a few days ago, after reading I should wait over a month to make sure my PCT is mostly out of the system, and to get a more accurate number(s).
I have MY results. LOW FSH 1.1 and low LH 0.9. (if you know anything about this you'll know the symptoms: Lack of wanting and disinterest in sex ! and more NO FUN!)
Now from what I see on my results and researching and reading what i can find on this matter. Some people suggest just to re-run the PCT to re stimulate the hypo gland, and that may do the job. However before I did that I thought it would be wise to post something myself and see what my PEERS think about that, and or point me in a better direction.
Also by miracle I was able to get in with my Doc who I will be seeing next week. Just wanted to see if I could get a jump on anything or maybe even save myself an exam fee. or is it maybe time to talk to the Doc about TRT? (which id rather not till i really need to go that route)
Thanks in advance . (pic of labs uploaded)
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Must be Patient! It took my body 8 months to recover one time after a suppressive cycle! The body resets itself with time usually!
Once again i'm grateful to everyone here for responding so quickly, and helping this guy out !. you guys are awesome.!
Now thinking back I do remember for about the first 2 weeks when I started my PCT I made a comment to my lady about how I felt like I was still on something, then after that if faded very quickly. I will definitely be re thinking my PCT if bounce back from this. Also I will be presenting my bloods to my Doc, and discussing with her the options I was given here. I am however leaning towards trying my PCT again. in the last few days since my bloods were taken,I have felt a little different and a lil more frisky. I can almost feel like something inside wants to "wake up" at times JEJE. I know it sounds crazy, but its why I may Retry my PCT. But before I do, i'll wait and see what Doc has to say as well. .
Gracias again everyone
My suspicions are that 1) you may have started pct a little too early. From what I remember, total elimination is 3-5 times the half life. 2) you need more time. I believe the biggest factor in recovery is time. And that's systematically across the board. Guys at our age need more time than a 25 or 30 yr old. If you break a bone at 40, it's usually going to take longer for you to heal than a 25 yr old. Same thing here I think. And another possibility is that natural hormone levels decline with age. You may already have had your testosterone level on tbe lower end, so now its just creeping up. Add up all 3 of those variables and it seems likely that your bloodwork came back as it should.
I suggest another round of pct and retest in 5 weeks.
Personally I'd choose trt. Skip all the guessing games.
Manateeswimmer5678Testosterone enanthate is still in system even two weeks after. Starting PCT then was not a good idea. Next time consider transition from test e to test prop for four weeks and then starting PCT after test prop since it clears system fast.
Molinin302Even though the enanthate is still at the least detectable, level wise. Shouldn't the PCT have helped him to reset by now? This yet another reason I'm wary of trenbolone. I know a lot of guys love it, but it always seems to be a factor when stimulating your natural production after a cycle. Thoughts?
Manateeswimmer5678Good logic Molinin as always. However anytime there is exogenous test whether it be 10mg or 100mg, the HPTA will stay shutdown. By starting PCT the time he did he did not get to truly reap the benefits of the full duration of PCT. In other words it was wasted time when the test enanthate was still present.
Molinin302Labs look great my bro! I'll give a thumbs up to them. Look my man, I'll be as direct as possible. Your bloodwork looks great, you got done running a cycle of some pretty strong compounds. You ran a proper PCT, you have to realize you chemically altered your body. Even with a PCT done well, nothing is guaranteed. I'd go by how you feel along with the bloods as far as the FSH and LH. There's risks with what we do, it is what it is. And yes, that was probably Dianabol. Best wishes
Edit- just saw the second pic. You fried your axis. Start considering TRT. Consult a physician.