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Hey guys, I could really use some help on my first cycle.
Stats: 5' 11", 34 years old, 248 lbs., been training now 4 to 5 times weekly (consecutively) for 4 years. diet and calories are good.
After a couple years of training, I was told by people I've met that I should start or at least consider starting a cycle. I waited it out as long as I could to make as many gains as possible, but finally reached a point where I felt like I just didn't have any juice any more and decided to research it and then give it a go. After I decided on taking a Test E only cycle, I realized that my local supplier was going to be too expensive. However, he did have a good deal on Dbol so I bought a six week supply of 50mg tablets (I'm taking 25mg in the AM and 25mg in the PM). Three weeks into my Dbol only cycle, I felt like my wife was adding too much starch to my shirts cause my nips were feeling a little weird. But then I realized we don't even use starch, so I started my Letro that night. 
1mg EOD. That dose was a little too much for me, so I decreased my dose to .5mg EOD. Things are good again, and I'm making good GAINS.
For my PCT, I have Clomid 35mg/ml and Novadex 20mg/30ml, but I was told I didn't have to run the Clomid with the Novadex. However, I am curious to see what what people think on what my dosage(s) should be or if taking both together would be beneficial. I was told that 40/35/20/20 was okay to do with the Novadex alone, but I have found so many other numbers on the net and even from the people I've met. I just wanted to know other opinions on that from here where I've chosen to post.
Anyways... My question is this: I recently came up on some money and was able to purchase two 10ml Test E 250mg/ml vials from a reputable source off this site. However, I didn't expect it to show up so soon and was planning on running my Novadex eight hours after my last Dbol tablet next week, and then waiting a bit to run my Test E only cycle. But my Test E showed up in just days instead of the weeks than I thought it was going to take to get here ( great service :). So now I am wondering if I should wait? Or if I can start the Test E now? Should I just run my Novadex after my last Dbol tablet and save the Test E for the next run? Or should I start one vial of Test E and save the other one for later? Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
And while I'm at it, I also have a question about syringes and needles. I have access to 1ml and 3ml syringes. In needles 22g x 1.5", 22g x 1", 22g x 1/2", 25g x 5/8". I wanted to know if I could inject with a 25g x 5/8" into my glutes or thigh muscles? I don't want to inject into my arms, only my glutes or thigh areas.
I'm excited and scared all at the same time. I've gotten great results and would like them to continue, but want to do this the best way and the right way.
Thanks in advance.
(also taking 1000mg of milk thistle and 375mg red clover blossom orally with every dbol dose and my creatine)
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Okay, so after reading around and reading the comments here, I've decided to start pinning on Monday (tomorrow morn). I am down to my final 250mg of Dbol, at 50mg a day I have enough to get to Friday. I was thinking of tapering my dosage to 37.5mg a day so that I can get a few extra days on my Dbol while I'm starting my pins. Also, I saw people doing that with a Dbol cycle. However, most were on some kind of Test with it so not sure if that makes a difference; or should I even do the tapering? Or just continue to take the 50mg a day till next Friday and just do my pins?
Also, I could use a little advice from you more advanced fellas, or anyone that has any good advice to give on this : ). I'm very excited to start the Test E, but I'm also very scared to do my first pin. (putting a liquid into me is a little nerve racking) anyone out there with some advice motivation whatever it is that will help me out, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again everyone.
oh; Crazymofo that site you posted is very helpful man, muchisimas gracias yo.<--(big thanks yo
You don't have enough dbol. You need to stop. The Test E will not be built up in your system by Friday. Just stop now and start a PCT then come back to this 12 weeks from now. Follow a correct cycle like posted below.
As far as research goes and finding more info, just learn to use the site. I promise there is an answer to 99% of your questions here. I know it takes a little more work than just simply asking someone, but it will mean more and you will gather different opinions from a host of members, this is important.
Note: difference in opinions on how to do/run things doesnt mean one person is wrong or right.
Good Luck!
RustyhookerFor fat loss i wouldn't have chosen dbol at all. And definitely not without test. You will lose your sex drive on orals only cycle.
Nips....thats from estro as you already know by trial/error. Research thoroughly on aromatase inhibitors...adex or aromasin.
I'd stop your cycle now. Pct as directed below with clomid and nolva. Stay clean for a good 12Weeks and research a proper test only cycle. Dbol just loads a ton of water, raises estro and gains leave when drugs leave.
Monstar below posted a typical dbol cycle.
AnonYour off on the wrong Start
Never run dbol only.. it starts good ends bad
Here u go
Week 1-12 test e 250 on mon and thur
Week 1-4 dbol 50 mg
Week 15 pct starts
clomid100/100/50/50-----nolv- 40/40/20/20
I am with everyone else here you need to start ASAP so that you can use Dbol to maintain blood levels until the Test E kicks in. Test E takes a few weeks to kick in and so you are cutting it very close.
Vhman is right about the PCT except that one is typical of a PCT including Aromasin in it so the Nolva dosage is lower. If you are running only clomid and nolva pct it would be Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20. You should start PCT 15 days after last Test E pin. This info I am "parroting" so please do more research. TONS of info on this site.
As for the pinning I can help more with personal experience. I am ~10% BF so fairly lean and I like to use 23g 1-1/2" for my glutes and 25g 1" for my quads and delts. I stick the 23g in the glute about 1-1/4". Main reason I use 23g on glute is the fact it is a larger gauge allows to push oils out easier and that is beneficial from the awkward position you have to be in to pin. In quads I go all the way with 1" and 1/2" in delts. I like the smaller gauge in these spots being that they have a few more nerves.
Take a look at this site:
http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm
If you are doing quads you need to know where to hit. Took me a few tries to find my sweet spot but after a couple times it becomes second nature.
I would also highly recommend you use the search engine (magnifying glass top left) to research PiP from pinning. That virgin muscle will give you the most pain the first time.
Also search for blood work. Only way to know for sure you have estro levels in check. You can use the search engine to find places to get blood work done. I use pirvatemdlabs.com
Again best advice I ever read on this sight is do your research and don't just listen to a guy like me. But good luck on your cycle you have come to the right place for help.
EDIT: I would add that this is a sloppy way to start a first cycle and also potentially dangerous. I am not saying this to be mean but you need more prep work done to be safe. You may want to look in to getting some more Test E as well. 2 vials is bare minimum for 10 weeks, what will you do if you drop one? Always have more on hand if needed. Also you could look into a different AI. I have never taken Letro but I heard it is harsh. Again this goes with doing research. Ok I am going to stop now, I feel as if I could go on forever.
Well I'm looking for size and weight loss more size. I am and or was a really big guy. I was in great shape when I was younger, but I had an accident when I was in my 20's and messed up my lower back pretty f-ing bad (worked for a sofa delivery). Fast forward about 9 yrs. I had two major back surgeries (with some fusion action) and then 1 minor later. After all the smoked cleared, I was over 300lb from a very solid 185 frame :( So it was finally time to get it back together. I did some heavy reading and learned a lot about eating first. Fast forward again 1yr later I had lost a little over 100lb. I was shrinking great, no real nasty loose skin. However I did feel, um... loose or wiggly, even soft would be a good word (dough boy style hehe).
That's when I started to learn about bodybuilding. I knew it was going to be rough for me considering my back problem, but I have found my ways to do things in there with as little discomfort as possible (which is hardly any but I don't care no more). Fast forward one more time to now; been close to 4yrs training and have learned A LOT since then, I've lost way more weight but I have put a crap load back on, only this time the good kind. Still a big guy, but not fat, with good agility and stamina. I do not know what my body fat % is, but I see good muscle definition but obviously no abs... Yet ;) I will be getting something for that soon. Also, I didn't include this before, but I did get my blood work done before my cycle, and was told by the doc that it was almost perfect.
But anyways
Just to get the pinning correct. I will be doing 2 shots a week of Test E. One on Mondays and Thursdays (seems to be popular) at 250mg per pin. I'll be using 22g x 1" until I get some of them 25g x 1".
As for the Clomid, I never asked, but I never just do. I still went online and trolled a lot of forums, and saw that there was a lot of people who were only using Nova and no Clomid on a Dbol only cycle. So I didn't question it. I'm glad I did now. And thanks for the fast responses guys!
Whats your body fat? 5'11/248 sounds like a big boy to me. Goal? I agree with @tLAMARw about jumping on the test and pinning it twice a week ASAP sounds good. Do you homework.. Plenty of info on the site..
Personally I pin 25 1" in my glutes but a lot of people like the 1 1/2. I use 25 5/8 for my delts.. I don't like pinning quads... Just my style..
I saw your stats. What are your goals with this cycle (body building, fitness, etc.)? Also, not sure why someone would tell you not to run clomid with your nolvadex. What was their reasoning? A normal PCT would be something like this: Clomid: 100/100/50/50; Nolva: 20/20/10/10.
tLAMARwIn my opinion since you already started the dbol and aren't finished you can go ahead and start pinning the test. It will be like a kickstart to your cycle. Do a simple 500mg a week cycle for 10 weeks followed by your pct two weeks after your last shot, and no you can't use 25g 5/8 for glutes, you need a 23g or 25g 1 1/2 inch needle, for thighs you can get a way with 25g 1in.