posted Fri, 02/14/2014 - 07:52
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clomid destroying my life...
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Hey dudes I need some advise. I know newbs proally freak out and ask dumb questions their entire first cycle. I have spared you guys until now. CLOMID is ripping me a new one!!! I feel lazy and get the drunk spins sporadically through out the day. What is an alternative to clomid? im only 6 days in to pct I started at 100mg and couldn't bare it so I dropped to 50mg. I only ran an 8 week cyp cycle 500mg a week. started pct 3 weeks after last shot. Is this just something I need to sack up and deal with? whats the shortest time I could use clomid for?
im 26 years old 6'1 202lbs body fat is around 10-12 as I was bulking I try to stay leaner. Ive done an oral cycle of h-droll a couple years ago and hated it. other than that this is a first.
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Starting 14 days from my last pin I use 1 mg Arimidex ED for 14 days. On day 10 of the 14 days I start Nolvadex for an additional 14 days @ 50 mg ED...I dunno works for me kept my stamina/strength everybody is different tho.
Its kicking my ass right now too bro. Horrible horrible anxiety, mild depression, no motivation, cant sleep. Just feel like shit in general.
It deff blows bro and rest assure I'm in the same boat w u. I'm so lazy it's hard to get out of bed lol. I think I got used to the clomid it's the nolva that makes me depressed.
How many weeks into PCT are you? You taking the full 100mg still?
Today is the start of week 3. So I'll drop it down to 50mg starting tonight. Ive been taking it at night, not sure if thats the best way.
I'm at the end of week 1, just checking to see what I have to look forward to. I'm running torem, clomid and nolva together, and have my clomid at only 50mg a day. So far the only side has been heartburn. Nothing emotional yet.
Drop the clomid its overkill stimulating the htpa is what you want in pct but like anything you can over due it.
I'm at torem 60/60/60/60 Clomid 50/50/25/25 and nolva 20/20/10/10
My concept here is to use torem at half strength and clomid at half strength, and get the clomid benefits w/o the nasty clomid sides.
does that dosage seem like overkill?
toremifene is more effective at doing everything that clomid does. mg to mg. for every 40mgs of of toremifene, clomid would need about 150mg to get the same results. the primary reason for running the toremifene is to not use the clomid and avoid the typical sides, and get better, faster, and more effective recovery. it raises gnrh, fsh , and lh better. i see no reason to use the clomid with it. its like a little of this and a little of that hoping for same results if you ran the torem at the recommended dose.
I see what your saying, and since you got such terrible sides from Clomid it makes since that you would avoid it at all costs.
The main reason I decided to keep a little clomid in my mix is from reading posts from DR Scally on another forum. He mentioned that he got less than perfect results using Torem on his hypogonadal patients. Dr Scally is a firm believer in the common mix of Clomid and Nolva, and says that individually they are not adequate but together they work well.
The second reason I'm keeping clomid in is for PCT insurance. My clomid and nolva are pharma, while my torem is a research chem. I was a little concerned that I might not recover if I had bunk torem.
Since clomid is the only serm that is a fertility drug, compared to nolva and torem being for estrogen fed cancers, the mode of operation has to be slightly different.
If I notice any bad sides, I'll cut my clomid dose lower or even eliminate it. But for now, I'm stoked on how PCT is going. It's been 3 weeks and a day since last pin and I feel positively normal. I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch, but I have a good feeling that the next 3 weeks will not be that bad.
Hopefully you dont have to feel like this. Like no joke, its making me consider if I even want to cycle again if I have to go through this every time I might just be done.
It's proally the Nolva making u depressed. I got used to thee clomid. I'm really debating stoping nolva. And just running clomid alone for the last 2 weeks. Hang in there man ur almost done!
Ya I noticed you said it affects you like that. The only reason I think it is the clomid and not the nolva is on cycle I took nolva 2 different times for 5 days due to gyno flair ups and I never had that problem then. But who knows.
Damn , I feel for you bro. Hope I can skip that hellish couple of weeks!
Thanks, idk what the hell was going on yesterday. Had a vaginitis flair up or something haha. I went and had a solid leg workout then went and got some pot and all was right in the world again. Slept like a baby last night. Im sure I'll be fine.
there are many reasons you could feel this way, but this is how i felt when i took clomid. I would suggest getting bloods, if its not possible right now, than i would suggest dropping the clomid and switch to toremifene ASAP.
with all the options for PCT this isnt something you should suck up and deal with. try tore its amazing. recovery is better, faster, i have yet to have anyone express any sides on a tore PCT, doesnt mean its not possible, better kept gains, elevated sex drive, and appetite. emotionally its wonderful too.
I have heard amazing things about that stuff. I I'm very sensitive to nolva. Like it makes be a depressed little baby. I dropped mot clomid dose to 50mg ed. It's done wonders. I think my test crashed as some of the guys here helped me figure out but I'm pulling out of the funk now. My strength is still up but I have lost 7lbs :( thanks for the info bro and I will def be giving it a go my next pct
It's not the Clomid, It's your T levels being crashed to shits!.....Gotta be taking Clomid for a long time to see its real benefits, you just haven't given it enough time!
roger that, I think it was just the timing. plus taking a new substance is always a little scary. im pushing through this and planning a smarter cycle in the next few months.
HAve you looked into using Torem? Do a search on it, you'll see some great feedback from Mwagner and white chocolate. It may be a good alternative for you.
look at the very top of the PCT page here.^^^^^^^
ive heard a lot about it exspecially from ppl that hate clomid. I will search it and take that rout in the future! thanks bro
For about $45 bucks you could have some in your mailbox in about 4 days. there is even a peptide source here that sells it in tablet form. just search for torem tablets, and you'll find him.
you have been a great help man. thanks
Your test has crashed.. causes a lot of the symptoms you describe.. it prlly is not the clomid..I get extremely lethargic the first two weeks of pct.. start using your nolva too if you want to recover faster.. drink plenty of fluids.. eat eat eat clean and no drugs or alcohol unless you want to stay miserable.
for sure bro. I just dosed 2omg tamox. tamox makes me a depressed mofo but owell. thanks for getting me straightened out guys
Dude you need to post some stats and prior history before people dole out advice about AAS..
Keep in mind it might not be the clomid.. Could just be the metal/physical crash of going from 500 MG of test to zero... That first month off cycle is always the hardest for me..
What did u use to control estro? Those are sides of it being high
And that's a short test c cycle...
I used .3 mg armidex everyday. had no estrogen related sides on cycle. Should I pick back up w the armidex?
Blood work would be good in this case, only way to be certain
List the full history and stats please. age/bf/ht/weight/cycle history... Need to post up info so you can get an informed answer from the masses.
my bad, im 26 years old 6'1 202lbs body fat is around 10-12 as I was bulking I try to stay leaner. Ive done an oral cycle of h-droll a couple years ago and hated it. other than that this is a first.
Damn bro, you went about this shit backwards. Can't change it now, but learn from this and next time let guys help you before you even think about starting.
what did I do wrong bro?
I'm not saying you did anything wrong. It's just unfortunate that you didn't get a chance to have guys help you out on your first cycle before starting. Don't worry a lot of us have been there, myself included. Don't worry though the guys around here are the shit and will get you straightened out.
ya everyone has been pretty kick ass on this site as far as help goes.
Pct is 2 weeks after on cyp. Are you using nolvadex?
I thought Cyp was 18 days? Regardless, should have started sooner.
No 2 weeks.
just to clear this up. is started pct late because I ordered more cyp from a source that happened to be bun. I realized this 3 weeks after taking the new test cyp. hense the 3 week start into pct
I have nolva on hand. wasn't gonna use it unless absolutely needed. I get pretty bad sides from it to ie depression
You need to start the nolva asap and do some more research next cycle on ai and pct
AGREE^^^^^And have all of your shit on hand next time for cycle and post cycle! no waiting or ordering in middle of cycle1 cant trust sources with your body..be smart!
started the nolva 20mg. thanks for the info boys. I have everything on hand big dog.. new to this game gimme a break.
Not trying to be a dick..Just want you or anyone(like someone else reading this thread who might be in same boat or about to start a cycle without asking for help) to make sure you have your shit together before you put medicine into your body..just saying be safe next time.
much love bro
no worries bro. I can appreciate some tough love. its been a learning experience for sure. only going up from here tho
I like that attitude +1
thanks a lot man really appreciate that, and all the help.
Good show brother
There are plenty of guys out there that would tell you to go 3 weeks, and PCT calculators would say the same thing. 2 weeks after last pin is the popular choice for most though, and that's what I'm doing.