posted Tue, 08/02/2016 - 11:30
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Adding proviron to first cycle questions
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My fellow meat heads
I'm on my first cycle about to start week 6 test e 300 two shots 250mgs a week . Typical cycle. I have clomid and aromasin for pct and I was reading up on proviron. Just thought I'd throw out and see what advice I can get on adding to first cycle . Opinions on dosage and frequency. And any personal experience . Any advice at all would be greatly appreciated . I know it starts up your natural test and gives you a better sense of well being while your body is trying to balance back our afyer a cycle so to me it sounds like a plus .
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If someone already said this and I missed it I applologize in advance. Proviron doesn't start up your natural test. The compound itself is suppressive, just as adding any exogenous androgen to your system. It does however raise FREE test (unbound from SHBG or aromatise and free to do the good stuff) by having a higher binding affinity to SHBG and the aromatise enzyme. This is also why it can help lower e2. But please know that it does not raise actual total test levels or jump start anything. It may not be very suppressive, but suppressive none the less and shouldn't be used any where near PCT.
If you take it in PCT you may feel good, but not because it's helping you recover. It's because you're still giving your body exogenous androgens
I know in the comments it sounds like you were asking about in cycle, and I may have misinterpreted your understanding of how it works. Just wanted to throw that out there in case I didn't, or incase someone else read it how I did.
It's a good drug like Makwa said below, but you should have had it planned for your cycle already. I'm sure you can benefit from it the last six weeks. It really should be started week 3 or 4, though. Proper PCT is Nolva and Clomid, too. Have you been using your Aromasin for an AI?
What was your estradiol for mid cycle bloodwork?
Dammit Meddex I knew someone was gana call me out with those questions . Well you know I didn't get pre bloods and I'm actually a few days from halfway and haven't gotten them yet . I know I say I'm very seriouse about aas . But bloodwork is vital. I don't want to pitch you some bullshit line so I'm not . Truthfully I haven't scheduled it yet . Need to call doc tomorrow .
I'm watching you dude...I know you're better than that...come on now...
AnonAnd if your running test e 300 two shots a week , that's 600mgs not 500mgs :-)
And come in mlydon . Give me some juicy info bro . Not incorrect math lessons .
AnonJust joking bro :-) I haven't used proviron so i shouldn't of commented
What's up with this comment, bro? Are you trying to rock mlydon's boat? If you are you need to take a step back before you fall, bro...
Just jokes man calm down
Okay...alright...you get ONE freebie...lol...you know me too well don't ya?
Hold the provi for your next run...stick with what you're doing and learn how to balance estro with your AI....
Hahaha thanks Meddex you'll have to fill me in on how to earn freebie points . I don't recall that being in the noob handbook haha
But yeah that sounds good. I'm pretty comfortable with what I have going on now . Those hiccups I had the other week are all settled out and thrings are Rollin well slow but well. Just was looking for some personal experience and or advice . You always hook it up man. Grateful for your advice and experience as well as the rest of the forum .
Yep..np..just stay focused and increase your calories and macros with your current weight...bust ass in the gym...increase fluid intake...get the bloodwork too...AND DON'T FORGET...
Already gettin it done ^^^^!!!!! Also need to pm you about the bloodwork check yo inbox brotha!!!
I did...I sent you info...:)
Lol if you read a little more I say two shots 250 lol just saying
It doesn't start up your natural test. It increases free test by unbinding it from SHBG. You don't want to be taking it off cycle. Many members have shown here that it will keep you shutdown. On cycle, 50mg split ED is a good dose.
I misspoke I apologize . I did read that . So do you think it would be fine to throw in halfway through my cycle ?
I wouldn't see a problem with starting it midway through cycle. If your cycle is rolling along good now and you have your estro dialed in you may want to hold off and just save it for next cycle. kind of up to you though. I wouldn't be scolding you if you added it or not. Sometimes it is nice to save it for later in the cycle when you start hitting some plateaus. Sometimes that little bit of extra free test it provides is enough of a spark to bust through those plateaus.
Thanks for the input makwa ! Yeah I think I'm gana go with what you and Meddex think and just hold off maybe add in to second cycle maybe not . Mostly just wanted a little experience info . Also wondering , I had heard from friend sometimes guys will take prov and AI off cycle of pct to add a little pep to lifting . I'm not interested in doing so but just curious if you have ever heard this bc I rather be able to offer him correct info I'm not sure if he was implying he wanted to or not but it would be nice to help him with a real answer .
See my post above buddy. Some people do it but I wouldn't. Some people do a lot of things and end up needing TRT by 28. Not saying that would definitely happen, but I want to keep my HTPA running on its own and a full capacity while off, u know?
I'm waiting for some info back from another member them in gana go ahead and get mid cycle female hormone bloodwork disputed the face I didn't get any pre bloods it should help greatly to at least make some judgment calls on my AI for end of cycle and pct . Currently just rockin that test e w no other aides . But I see what you mean with guys taking all these extra precautionary drugs when you may in fact not need them and the. You end up fucking yourself up. This post was more for information not complete interest in adding prov . Thanks again
for sure. and I figured as much. just wanted to help with the info of what the compound actually does. And midcycle bloods are a must. Precycle bloods are good to make sure everything is running on all cylinders and so you have something to reference after PCT to make sure you're back to normal, but the mid-cycle guys are for exactly what your're using them for. Check your levels, make sure everything is going well, and adjust AI if necessary. Good shit brother. Besides, now you know for next time to get bloods first too. Not the end of the world.
Correct, do not take off-cycle or during PCT.
Roger that . So just out id curiosity when would be the ample time to take it and for what circumstances?
It is a pretty good compound to take during all cycles due to its effects of raising free test which can make your cycle more effective. Free test is what does all the work so anything that you can do improve that on-cycle is a plus. It can also give a nice libido boost and seems to help impart an overall enhanced feeling of well-being, especially true if on TRT. It is just an overall good compound with basically no downfalls. Just don't take it during PCT or off-cycle.
Absolutely man and thanks truely for the above post , very informative. Exactly why I love this forum. Real dudes with real info . Not getting hit with "go read some shit " like guys in other forums . I appreciate that aspect .