posted Thu, 01/03/2013 - 09:35
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Winter Semi-Lean Bulk Cycle...
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I'm going to run Test Prop 100mgs EOD and NPP 3x/wk 75mg, so 225mg/wk total with arimidex on hand when needed. Length is thus far undetermined. It's my first time using Nandrolone in either form, so I have caber on hand for possible prolactin related sides. This is definitely not my first cycle, but my question is what should I expect from NPP over Decanoate? Also, if any, what oral would you more experienced members suggest? I was thinking on possibly adding some winny into the mix for 4 weeks towards the end of my cycle to drop the water weight and help with the cutting part. So yeah, basically what to expect from a 19-nor compound and what orals if any would you suggest?
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Ive read tgru this and since you're made up on your mind run those doses 8 Weeks with caber. And you'll need an ai...adex or aromasin as needed. The npp is low enough that with ai in use you should keep lean while adding mass. Id suggest researching the zewi/cdaddy/gs pct since nors can be harsh. Stop the npp at week 7.5 & run caber thru first week of pct. Pct starts 3days after last prop shot.
Typical npp beginner run
Npp 100eod
Prop 125 eod
Post up your stats and cycle experience.
Age 24, 5'7, 185lbs, 15-16% BF (lowering that through diet), cycle history - 1) Test E 12wks, 2) Test/Dbol, 3) Test/EQ/Var. I have PCT on hand (nolva, clomid, hcg). Never tried a 19-nor, never felt like I was ready for one until now. Still DEFINITELY NOT ready for Tren haha. Experience? Been lifting since age 14, took a 3 year hiatus while being a heroin addict, but have been clean coming up on 2 1/2 years. I'm in the gym 5 days a week, except on weeks when I get a new tattoo, (once or twice a year).
Anondeca and tren are both 19nor's... forget about them. too many potential sides, and a much harder shutdown. at your age, you should try to avoid that. keep your cycles short if possible. lean bulker:
ideally for a shorter cycle, you could manipulate test only. if you want a good lean bulker, it's gonna take a lil more time, IMO:
wk 1-4: test prop 150/eod
wk 1-16: test enan 450-600/wk split
wk 1-16: eq 600/wk split (frontload first two weeks to get levels up faster)
wk 14-19: mast p 100/eod
wk 14-19: var 50-75/ed
wk 16-19: test prop 100/eod
aromasin: 12.5 eod starting week 2 thru pct. halfway thru pct, cut the dose in half. but run labs week 7 to check levels. the dose may need to be tweaked.
pct: (3 days after last prop pin)
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
frontloading EQ: you want to double the weekly dose to get plasma levels up quicker, but split the doses up evening to provide a constant flow. example:
wk 1: 1200mg
m 300
t 0
w 300
t 0
f 300
s 0
s 300
wk 2: 1200mg
m 0
t 400
w 0
t 400
f 0
s 400
s o
week 3-16: 600mg (split e3.5d)
m 300
t 0
w 0
t 300
f 0
s 0
s0
Time isn't an issue to me. I've read about the 19-nor sides, I won't try anything without researching it first, hence having prolactin inhibitors on hand and a couple dopamine agonists. When I ran EQ, I ran it for around 16 weeks and honestly, I didn't see much feel much of a difference besides an empty pit where my stomach used to be haha, I was ALWAYS hungry. That being said, I already ordered my injectables and I don't really want to take a somewhat simpler cycle and turn it into a much more expensive cycle with 3 DHT derivatives. Thanks for the help tho bro, but right now that's way more compounds than I'm willing to use at once and way above my price range.
AnonSounds like you have your mind made up on NPP... Bad choice brother. I'm sure you've researched it, but listening to what you say about the other compounds tells me you have no true idea of the effects. Good luck to ya.
To me it's not a bad choice, I don't mean to sound like a condescending asshole but I made my choice, every person reacts differently to each substance. I didn't ask for anyone to make a cycle for me, I simply asked what it is like being on a 19-nor preferably from first hand experience, and if there were any orals I could add into the mix. And you're right, I don't have a true idea of the effects, because as stated, I've never used it before. But thank you for your input on what you would do for a lean bulking cycle.
Anonyou may wanna get some finastride to go with this for when you kick off the two dht's
SwolePatrole7id suggest anavar over winni. less sides and it doesnt dry out your joints, but that's just my personal opinion, wish i could help with the 19nor compound but i have zero experience with deca in any form.
At 15-16% bf, anavar won't work the majority of its magic.
Nandrolone lubes up your joints so I wouldn't have a problem with winny. I've ran Var before and did not really get much out of it, and the loss of appetite sucked.
Anon19nor's have been proven to help with dry joints thru colagen synthesis. other compounds have been shown to exhibit the same traits. i.e., masteron or eq.