Ok I have read several post of people running cycles and wondering why there not getting the results the wanted, I hear BUNK GEAR or its just my genetics... BULL SHIT,,, 85 percent of the time it comes down to nutrition and training intensity period... the gear is only part of the equation that I like to refer to as the ground the seed is planted in, nutrition is what I like to call the fertilizer and water that makes the seed grow to be the best plant it can be. finally training no matter how much you eat and how much gear you take if your not training hard and giving it 110% you wont get the results you hoped for.. there is so much more involved to AAS then just taking a pill or shoving a needle in your ass, you must look at each component seperatly then put them together as a whole. you must research and ask question learn what each compound does and how it interacts with each compound in your body. does it work in a synergy with or do the compete for the same receptors in your body? this site is full of information some bad but 90 percent whats here is excellent ask questions ive never met a member that refused to help