+ 5 Orals.... ARE THEY TOXIC?
I have seen and read several post lately of guys running super toxic oral steroids and not just one but two or three in the same cycle. most oral steroids are extremely toxic to the liver because the it is a 7-alpha alkylated steroid as most are. even after a week of use changes begin to happen in the liver, your enzymes become elevated and prolonged use of them can cause perm damage in the liver that it will not be able to regenerate its self. and when I see guys running multiple orals or even oral only cycle your heading for perm damage or even death down the road. now if your smart you would have already educated yourself on proper liver support that's out there. I am not getting into the names of them but there are several products on the market that will help your liver some but not fully protect it( it may just minimize the damage) but IMO a oral steroid that is a 7-alpha alkylated should not be ran for more than 4 or a max of 5 weeks, if you follow common sense you will enjoy a lifetime of lifting and its like everything else MODERATION .....and NVER RUN MORE THAN ONE ORAL IN A CYCLE FOR GOD SAKES PEOPLE
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Personally I have not ran any orals yet, unless we are counting proviron. I have had such amazing results with injectables alone I haven't really felt any need to use them. Like Viking said I am very skeptical these days as well. At 40 I figure if I can keep bit of extra stress away from my liver whilst still making awesome gains why risk it?
I've never ran an oral before and don't even drink alcohol, picked up some forte n and liv 52 ds that i'll use during a test/anavar cycle. only going to use the anavar 6-8 weeks tops(50-60mg) and im hoping that will keep everything in line. Theres a lot of great info on here and I remember reading nitti or Viking once ran halo 2 weeks or so with forte n 2x a day and said his bloods were normal. Thinking about grabbing some prostate support too maybe saw palmetto or the trunature blend for prostate health.
True or not, that has nothing to do with you. There are many folks who run var for 4 weeks, with supplements, and still have significant issues. There is no way to know without running bloods. Don't guess, because someone else was fine. You'll be the one paying the price.
your right vh!
I fear orals more nowadays than i ever did back in the 80s and early 90s...... yes they were still toxic back then but they were real pharma products, nowadays the tabs are made in some fucks attic from all sorts of poisonous shite!... apart from being ultra toxic like never before 99% of the shit sold doesn't work.
I guarantee there is is more living hormone in my dirty underpants after a heavy leg session lmfaoooooo...
Lol.. But you are correct ... Very very few src's I trust when running an oral..at least with a pharma grade oral u knew what u was taking so many now days are sold as one thing and are really something else completely different.. And then there's the unknown factor of what's actually in them ..
better safe then sorry, I run all orals based on the time frames and doses we advise here. ive seen to many alcoholics and liver issues..... BUT, I have always been amazed at the oral cycles that were ran back in the day, it would not surprise me one bit if someone abused orals(based on the advise we give)and their liver values were fine.
Its always a great idea to run a liver protectant as well during oral AAS cycles.
I ordered some from u the other day.. U carry they best liver support I've found
Yes bro. Let us not forget oral steroids' effect on the kidneys either. The liver will repair itself somewhat maybe, the kidneys not a chance. +2
Sounds familiar
And you know from experience how not tough the kidneys are.
nice post bro..people needs to see that sometimes. i cant believe some of the cycles people are running: got 3 or 4 orals in the cycle that i know is tearing their liver to pieces..when the poor bastards skin starts turning yellow from jaundice maybe they will get the hint to knock that shit off... +1 gymjunkie.
Excellent post. +1
It seems like too many people are stuck in the "var is non-toxic" so I'll run that for 8 to 12 weeks. As Catalyst said below, I've also seen several guys with horrible numbers when they've been running var, 50mg, for four weeks.
Then there is the group who think their bulletproof because they're running some liver sups. Liver sups help but they it doesn't make orals safe.
Exactly ..
I've seen some stupidly high liver values in a fit healthy guy running 60mg ed of anavar for only 4 weeks. We ran the test three time as we didn't believe the result! I've also seen my own liver values at dangerously high levels on halo without any symptoms I had noticed.
Don't ever underestimate just how different we all react and how bad your bloods coule be without knowing it.
Good post GJ, +2
orals are no joke they are very dangerous substances.. they must be treated with the upmost respect and care
I prefer injectables over orals, but if you know how to protect yourself there shouldnt be an issue. Unless you have liver or kidney problems to begin with then you should have no business doing any kind of steroid. I always take liver supps as my daily vitamin regime to begin with, but when I run my oral dbol or adrol I always take precaution for the kickstart or finish of a cycle. Some of these people I see mixing dbol with anadrol then throwing in some var or tbol at the end. To much. Overkill beyond. They just dont care about there health that much. They just want to be bigger at any cost.
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Lmao well if i wound had seen that I would not have posted this artical ha ha
Lol, well it never hurts to keep it fresh on peoples minds! Especially the newbs
Bro I have read your post. Your deff a smart dude and you know your stuff. It's good having you around we can never have to much knowledge here
Thanks bro
Pffft, google copy and paste, come at me bro ;).... Lmfao....
I've ran more than one oral in a cycle but I do not condone this. I agree 100% with this post everyone's body is different and just because I did it and the maltitude of support supps I was taking helped does not mean it'll work for the next guy. I have a very close friend that ran a liver support sup can't remember the name but it was supposedly the best and took 2 oral in a cycle. A week in he was so jaundice looked like he had hep c!!! And he did everything that his research had told him to do. Granted it was d Bol and s drol. S drol is a super toxic oral. Still I've ran heavier doses with more compounds then him and never had a problem. Point of the story just cuz Ur buddy runs multiple orals doesn't mean you can and isn't worth the risk. Just ask my bro 1 week in he hospital monitoring and testing him and 10's of thousands of dollars later. Let me just say my bro has not and will not ever run a methylated oral again. Thanks for the post gym junkie orals are some of the most dangerous drugs we use to enhance are appearance and should not be taken lightly. They can harm you!
Oh you are correct what harms one may not harm another person. .. But in general they are toxic to everyone to some degree or another..I Appreciate u chiming in on this one..