Why do I look small on high test?
So I've noticed a strange occurrence. At a low dose test 175mg to 200mg max, I look so much better than on high test 250mg+. Also 500mg test doesn't do shit for me other than make me a strong bloated mess, adding EQ fixes that.
On low test my delts look round, my pumps are amazing. That shit all goes away when I up the test. It's been really bothering me. Bloodwork does show high estro, but no side effects from high estro so not taking an ai. I don't remember loss of pump and flat muscles to be a side effect of high estro? I might be wrong.
I'm at the age that I want to build quality muscle without doing the whole bulk thing with all the bloat that comes with it. Going slow and steady is my thing, I want to look good while slowly gaining muscle over time.
Have my fellow muscle heads ever had the same experience?
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So maybe the more you take the more taxing it is on your body and the less you take the healthier you are so maybe you just look better and a little fuller and stuff because your just overall healthier and doing better? idk, just a thought, or most likely its placebo/ body dysmorphia type thing. Like when you swear your shrinking after a rest day
Could be, it doesnt sound crazy honestly.
Recently I’ve had a few comments about how big I look. Reality is I’m 20lbs lighter than usual, but with a significant drop in BF%. That’s bodybuilding for you….
Yessir it's optics for sure. I get those same comments when I'm lighter sometimes. In my head I'm thinking what the hell are they talking bout!
Same mate. I’m currently thinking I look small lol. I guess part of what keeps us doing it is we all in some ways have a type of body dysmorphia to a degree.
Yes we do.
JohnJuiceImagine coming off gear, your delts would explode in size LESS = BIGGER.
Lmao holy shit I'm tempted right now.
Lifted-presence92You’re probably just getting smaller the steroids are having a reverse affect on you! Only way to truly know is keeping a log tracking weight fasted in the morning and taking measurements ex… arms, quads, chest.
Unless you’re a medical anomaly there’s plainly no way. The water retention alone would have you noticeably larger.
'500mg test doesn't do shit for me other than make me a strong bloated mess' - so you are stronger, hold more water so therefore are actually bigger. On a smaller amount you look leaner. I could understand if you said you looked a lot different on 750 to 1g Test but not 500mg/wk.
So what is your weight difference between low and high dose?
Surely you must gain more on the higher dose.
I haven't done a higher dose in a while because everytime the same thing happens. Been making steady gains in lower dosages honestly.
DaPumpThe loss of pump with higher Test makes no sense in any case...
First time I've heard this. Estrogen contributes to increased glycogen within the muscle so if anything it would make muscles more fuller with increased pumps. You would think you're on an ai buy the sound of it.
Exactly! thats why I'm trying to figure out whats going on.
Ok do that because this is strange my man.
RustyhookerYou have bloods as proof? Sounds all estro and food choices to me
BIG HINT....EQ CONVERTS TO MILD AI.....
Bloodwork does show high estro, but no side effects from high estro so not taking an ai.
BIGGER HINT----BLOAT IS A SIDE EFFECT GENIUS
I can deal with bloating I see it as something thats part of high test which will happen anyway if you're on high carb and not cutting. It's more the looking small part thats the issue. Its like all fullness is sucked out of my muscles.
Running AI doesn't do anything for me other than make me feel like shit and flat. If bloating was the only issue I had I'd run high test all day everyday. I'd rather settle for less test than running ai to be honest. I'm not gonna combat a drug by taking more drugs if I can just take less drugs and get the same effect.
I'm aware of the EQ ai effects.
So my question still remains, how can high estrogen make me look small and cause a lack of pumps?
High estro = water retention which covers up vascularity and definition. I look alot bigger at 185 5% bodyfat than I do at 225 15% BF.
How does that not make you go crazy? Do you just suck it up while bulking?
RustyhookerLmao.....placebo
Lmao could it be, making myself crazy over here haha
It's an optical illusion. I'm much smaller than I was last year but everyone says I look bigger. But measurements show I'm smaller. Measure yourself on 500mg and again on your lower dose that's the only way to prove anything.
Lmao, I'm legit gonna do that.
Yep nowadays I rarely mess with the scales. I go by the tightness of clothes and measurements
Man best I can say is everyone reacts to everything differently. Alot of people love EQ but I ran it at 500mg a week for about 6 weeks and had to drop the compound it bloated me up bad, dick didn't work and instead of increasing my appetite I felt less hungry and went from having abs to looking like crap. Do what's best for you, your physique and more importantly your health
Damn that sounds horrible. I agree, it sucks that a compound like test doesn't agree with me.
You try carb loading? Also what ester are you using because my favorite was sust and prop which I typically always ran at a lower dose. I use test E now which I never exceed 300 mags. Do what works best for you. One member who has one of the best physiques on here uses only 250 mgs a week but runs everything else on the higher side with minimal sides. I still believe your solution is within your diet with carb cycling. What’s your current bf%? Did you start cycling high or low teens? That also matters tremendously
Im using test-e. I could try carb loading but I usually take intra work-out carbs so I don't think the lack of carbs or glycogen is the issue here. You think that will help?
Welcome to my world. That’s why I love Tren and Winstrol. Those are the ONLY compounds that don’t bloat me. Diet doesn’t matter. Drives me crazy. Masteron is supposed to harden you up, but it does absolutely nothing for me. Tried different esters and different labs. Pulsing Anadrol two weeks on two weeks off seems to work pretty good, although I’m not interested in getting much stronger out of fear of overtraining and getting hurt.
I share your fear of overtraining and getting hurt. These days just looking at a bench press hurts my shoulders lmao. Ive hurt my chest numerous times on it...not trying to let that happen again.
Lmao, Masteron at any dosage makes me look flat and small. No hardening effect whatsoever.
I tried a small dosage of tren but shit made me feel like a neanderthaler. Cant have that at work.
The only oral I mess with is anavar!! Sick fullness but I really gotta watch my temper on it. I work in a very professional setting so I really can't risk it.
Deca? Forget about it.
HGH? Insane amounts of bloat and water retention, no thank you.
So I'm stuck with test (low dosage), primo, EQ and DHB if I have a good source.