+ 1 Tren Ace Tap Out
Ya you read the title correct..I have tapped out only after 1 month of 50mg ed of tren ace..
For the 1st 2 weeks of the run I felt fine..No bad sides..Had good strength..even got to see a vein in my bicep for the 1st time in my life..Good stuff.
2nd-4th week.. Insomnia soo bad..I would sleep an hour a night..and in that hour per night sleep were creepy tren dreams..I would rip my face off..it would grow back..then rip it off..over and over..
I would feel lethargic all day long.. I would still get good workouts though..but just feel terrible all day long..
Also in that pitiful hour of sleep I would awake gasping for air..Like some one was trying to choke me out..I would get up walk around my home totally freaked out..
Its 3 days now after I tapped out and I'm sleeping great YA Buddy..Sleeping freaking great.. feel much better...
I will never scarp with tren ace again it kicks my ass..I don't see how i could ever win in a fight against tren just to damn powerful..
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MrEddyIt's a love/hate compound for sure bro. I run it and it really fucks with my mind in terms of anxiety. Good for you for listening to your body. No need in continuing anything that messes with your health/mind too much. And it would have only got worse
Props brother. a lot of people aren't self aware enough to realize how it's affecting them. Or just too hard headed to admit it.
I like the way e affects me better. But I learned if life is good, it's all cool. Let the unexpected happen when your balls deep in a run ( and shit tends to happen in this life) and it can greatly effect how you cope with it. I think ace is the better choice so you can get out from it fast. I put my most recently planned run back in the drawer until some things stabilize. Now isn't the time.
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300 SavageThanks Brother..
I personally think my run with tren A proved to me people were not BSn about its potential. I was packing on muscle and strength while burning fat.
The endurance in weight room was scary... I was worried I would tear something since I wouldn't fatigue... Just sweat a lot during workouts. The changes were unreal...
Then comes the bad... I am a mellow guy, and normally don't worry what my GF was up to. Suddenly ly I'm obsessed whether she is talking to someone at work, why she hasn't responded to a text in 5 minutes, why did she say something the way she did.... Gah
Walking up stairs... Winded as if I did a marathon... At least I look good I told myself.
ALL that... Not so bad, compared to Tren E. I had suicidal thoughts... God mode would set in, treated my girl like crap. As soon as I realized the last one, I dropped it... still had to wait awhile for it to clear.
I sometimes toy with the tren A idea again. Taking that inhaler (cant remember the chemical) for the lack of cardio. Maybe smoking medical CBD for the anxiety, and perhaps I'd be OK.
But I like what someone mentioned... We're supposed to enjoy this. If my quality of life goes in the toilet for an extra percentage of bodyfat...and I don't compete... Is it really worth it??
300 SavageWow..BigK...Sounds like it does not agree with you also..Yes health and well being..treating our loved ones with respect is more important then anything..
Man that sucks bro sorry about the nasty sides! im on my first tren run and so far no bad sides other than bad heart burn., I hope it stays that way I have been on for 3.5 weeks now so hopefully its gonna stay that way.
300 SavageBro.. believe me.. I wish you no bad sides....I hope you have a nice smooth run...
A month is pretty much all I could handle of tren...now ya know brother. Fk tren anyhow...theres far better options at our syringe tips that are enjoyable...that don't make running gear a miserable experience. Lift on brother lift on...knuckles
300 SavageYa bro for sure..fuck being miserable....Im just running some nice smooth primo and test right now..I feel good and look good..not feeling like one of the cast members form (one flew over the cuckoo's nest..)
I've said this to many people here. Unless you're competing at a decent level, you should enjoy your cycles. If you're not enjoying it, bin it.
300 SavageI binned that shit..Homes...
CoblerShould have done 50mg eod bump it up to 75mg eod when and if your ready.
300 SavageI have heard over and over that eod fucks you up bad.. and that ed is way more stable..
Why not try a differant Tren Ester? I'm using low doseage Tren E mainly because I get enough injections without the short cycle stuff making it worse. Perhaps the Tren E or H will not effect you as badly? I'm on 135mg/wk of Tren E,Mast E and Test E plus 350mg Test blend no sides but a bit of night sweats so far.
Note I also used an Anavar kicker but off that now and on my 6th week.No AI or anything like that needed so far.
Tren is is kinda know as side effects in a bottle, luckily since he used ace 3 days after he stopped pinning hes all back to normal, with E or hex hed be looking at probably 10 days give or take for the E and longer for the hex. Different esters can cause the steroid to behave differently, but based off my reserach that was true for all "normal" sterids" ( no exotics) except tren and mast because they couldnt be reduced to dht.
Your dose is low, 135mgs ew of tren e, thats a real conservative dose to start with, smart move. 50mgs ed Is quite alot, I know weekly counts go out the window but for just for the hell of it its 350mgs ew. 350mgs of GOOD tren acetate can be powerful as hell. First time I used it i ran 50mgs eod, so 175mgs ew, and later in the cycle i bumped it up a bit when i was comfortable. So while i dont agree with using a long ester, I agree he should have started with a lower dosage.
Much obliged Irongame, If I don't need to add extra chemicals I won't and not interested in T3 for fat burn as you said to catabolic although I do like clens
300 SavageReally? I was under the impression that anything lower then 50mg of ace was a waste of time..
Hell no under 50mg is a waste of time, tren is strong shit, the most powerful injectable in our Arsenal. First time I ran it at 50mg eod and my diet was spot on and every time my Roomate saw me he said I looked different. No other drug out there will let you run 50mg eod and have someone who sees you everyday saying they are seeing notiable changes every time they see you. 100mg eod or in your case 50mg Ed is no baby dose by any means if it's good tren it's more then a moderate dose. But like I said before its n unnecessary drug to use unless your competing at a decent level, gym rats who just wanna look good should do without it. Cycling is supposed to be fun, what's fun about not being able to sleep, horrible night sweats, sweating all day, terrible ability to do cardio or even walk up a few flights of stairs without getting winded, and then all the things it does to your head, paranoia, thinking your girls cheating ok you, fucked up dreams. Doesn't sound like a fun time to me. I can lean out and not lose muscle with s good diet and no tren. I'll take that route until the day I get to compete and even then I'm thinking primo, proviron, and some var and maybe sunny toward the end. Primo is highly underrated.
300 SavageNo I love primo..I had good results with injectable primo ace..But really did not gain a pound on it..it just shaped me up..That tren I just did i gained 6lbs of lean muscle in 4 weeks..Thats crazy..But like you said I really did not have a good time on it...
Your next run you will. It's a learning experience. The ole saying don't knock it till you try it. We all different. You tried it. More than some can say. Shit I tapped out one some TNE. Fucked me up but learned from it. Really didn't fuck me up but you get what I'm saying. I'm excited for my next tren. Only reason being is because I learned first hand. Some will call it reckless. I call it learning you.
Hi irongame427,
You seem to know what your doing,I've heard of Tren crashing T3 as one of its sides, whats a safe way to use T3 to compensate if I get really knackered?
Ya it's known to crash ones t3 levels, did it to me the few times k ran if. Felt like fucking shit man, tired all day long, could barely get out of bed, just lethargic all day long, the low t3 levels really killed my appetite like I would eat and felel full for the rest of the day due to food not metabolizing at the rate it should. For ME, It's an easy fix, 25mcg of t3 did the trick perfectly. I wasn't taking it in a dose to burn fat, that shit is way to catabolic been there done that. It was just replacemenr dose. Mind you I do most of this under the supervision of my doctor. She likes a mix of t4 and t3 ( she didn't know I was on tren lol) but she listens to me and if I ask for cytomel that's what she prescribes. She actually just took my blood Monday cause we suspect my thyroid is sluggish due to an Rx Med I take, so will see how those Come out and if there's a need she will take care of it. Thyroid hormones aren't to be taken lightly so be careful, I'd only use them if medically necessary, not for fat burning and shit like thatff
Good thing is you fucking tried it first hand. And now you know. You can always read shit and yes there is good knowledge but how would you know if you didn't try. I myself miss that. I do miss that no sleep. I'm high wired as he'll anyways. But I do see where your coming from. I can't wait for my next run with tren. But you have to know what's best for you. And good shit for you knowing when to call when. Everybody's different. Some don't know
300 SavageYa bro.. no shit I'm a fighter at heart and will and do fight till the end..That tren had me all messed up..Time to fucking tap...Tren got its hand raised...I did the walk of shame but guess what...fuck em...
Like said. You at least tried. Now go get some rest. Haha
Dang bro. Sounds like the stuff just doesn't agree with you. Tren will take your T3 for a nose dive and with T3 depressed you won't want to get out of bed it can get so bad. I always supplement T3 on a Tren run.
But the waking up gasping for air thing bothers me. That sounds like sleep apnea which I have. Exacerbated by Tren. If you're a big guy, the chances of having sleep apnea are high. I have to sleep with a CPAP machine. It was a life changer for me.
EDIT: Most of the guys I compete against that I know well enough - we all have CPAP machines. LMAO.
300 SavageBro never had an issue with sleep apnea in my life..just the last 2 weeks of that tren ace..Now its been 3 dyas off. and no slepp apnes or insomnia..Its gone..Thank god I was running ace and not E..
Bro,
Sleep apnea is insidious. Some folk never realize they have it, certainly in its early stages. Meanwhile, blood oxygen saturation drops and the quality of sleep and it's recuperative effect which is so necessary for muscle gains declines. The more muscle you pack on and the bigger you get, you'll get there eventually. For now, I certainly hope you don't have that going on, of course. But, I would do a little light reading about sleep apnea. Someday you may just be feeling off on a more or less consistent basis and just chalk it up to middle age. Not so fast, bro. LOL
This is a good scholarly article that is easy to read.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/sleepapnea
I feel you bro sides get crazy for me too nothing wrong with being smart and stopping
I agree most people don't need tren maybe try equipoise hardly any sides and will make you vein central with right diet
300 SavageCool bro.. thanks for the info.. ya tren is a madman..for sure..
tgunnz1000Tren works wonders for me with zero sides besides sweating like a pig. I guess I'm lucky.
300 SavageYes you are lucky for sure...
I dont wanna give you any ideas, but that lethargy is easily fixable, as is the insomnia.
IMO if your not competing at a high level theres no need, Hell, i know two members who won shows without using tren, one of those members won a very very big show. Both of them looked fucking awesome without the using tren, couldnt have looked better i dont think. Everyone of us gets curious, Ive ran it, but then you realize you can get down to low levels of bodyfat in great condition without the use of tren and without its harsh effects on your body. For the average gym rat, its not necessary.
RustyhookerBingo! They went old school and diet was flawless. First and overall is nothing to scoff. Especially in lighter weight classes.
300 SavageThanks bro..what did they use in replacement of tren..If you are willing to share that info..
They both used 1-test cyp, look it up if youre not fimilar with the drug but many say its like tren without the sides. dry bloat free compound. Also primobolan is another great option. I loved the way primo made me look. Even bold cyp with anavar and some proviron with moderate test, i think i looked better then when i was on tren, the bold var provi combo made me vascular, hard dense looking, obviously dry since theres very little if any water with boldenone, espeically on a good cutting diet. prop mast var (can sub winny for the var in any of these but i like var and my joints suck so no winny for me ever) Theres tons of options man, Even npp with prop and var, npp will keep you full even on low carbs, and on low carbs with npp water is very low to null.
But if your looking for this magical compound where you can eat shit all day and burn fat like most people think tren does then thats your only option. Tren never did that for me, i had to keep my diet perfect on tren to get lean. Idk who these people are who respond to tren that way but it aint me, or alot of others ive talked to. 99% of the time its just hard training and a good clean diet full of not so tasty food. But the results are worth it.
300 SavageThanks for the detailed reply..I have run primo ace before..and felt great.. yes i believe i will just be sticking with primo and small dose test..
I loved primo ace, never ran e before, I used the tabs 150mgs ed, no liver stress backed by my bloods, great results with aesthestic wise, no real strength gains, but I was dieting for 8 weeks and i only dropped about 2lbs, and i lost a shit ton of bodyfat. So this "weak or mild" compound everyone talks about actually put a decent amount of muscle on me while in a caloric deficit. Was not expecting that at all. I was just expecting to hopefully hold onto what i have and lose fat and see the scale drop but that didnt happen. I was just running 200mgs cyp with the primo tabs, it actually in my case had some anti estrogen properties, my estrogen was crashed and I was using no ai. Id love to run low test, primo, anavar. That would be a sick cutter. Also had no side effects with that cycle either i felt awesome (until i crashed my estrogen at the end lol).
300 SavageYa bro.. that primo ace really defined my shoulders..big round strong shoulders.. with not 1 bad side effect..
It was 100mg inject primo ace..I was getting from a famous actor..no lie..
Nothing wrong with waving the white flag on tren, no shame in that whatsoever. Takes s bigger man to say "not for me, I'm out".
300 SavageBro..shit I can take alot..been through alot in life..by no means at all a pussy here..but that tren boy..oh lord..
TronNever will do Tren or anything else that might make me feel like shit. Not in the name of vanity..When I'm on cycle the point is to look good and feel good
300 SavageYes sir.. you got to feel good..totally agree with you..
RustyhookerNot the dream drug everyone brags about
300 SavageHell NO.. at least not for me..
RustyhookerGotta agree with catalyst on knowing your extreme and dipping out. Many dudes keep burning. Tren is odd one for sure.
yup, they keep on going and end up seperated from their wives, getting into fights etc. good to know when to bail. Smart move.
X2......or maybe we just have only ran shitty tren? Ive thought about that also lol. Its definitely never been this fat melting muscle building crazy drug everyone talks about.
RustyhookerSecond time I ran low dosed and had the goods with less bads. Soon as my thinking was iffy, I dipped out. I get introverted when im typically outgoing.