posted Mon, 06/26/2023 - 05:30
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Test solo vs test/primo
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So plan on bumping up my trt for the summer. Main goal is to lean bulk and basically just look good and lean. Try to keep things more healthy these days so here are my options. Based on these two which do you guys think is the right move for me.
Option 1
Test 350 mgs a week solo. On this dose I'd most likely need 12.5 mg aromasin twice a week to keep e2 in check. I love test but just don't want to look bloated.
Option 2
Test 250 and primo 200. With this I would see if the primo would be sufficient to control my e2. Only real downside of this one is hair loss. I get pretty good shedding with some compounds and recently started finasteride and I know that it only works for testosterone really.
Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated !
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RustyhookerBloods will show you your as i as/if needed. Below youve run many cycles? Look at dhb
You are going to get way better results from option 1 than you will option 2.
Lifted-presence92Agree with mak plus you’ll just be blowing money on primo for no reason at that dose and depending were you source it from could be a concern as well regarding legitimacy.
Thank you man care to elaborate?
200mg of primo isn't going to do jack shit for gains. That extra 150mg of test is way more anabolic than 200mg of primo.
Question, let’s say it was an athletes first go with drugs. Let’s consider 30 years old, 5’10” 210lbs at real 12%BF. Diet is on point, zero additional supplements or vitamins. Wouldn’t a 200mg Test 200mg primo cycle make a huge difference or am I putting too much faith in pharmacology? I would think in a virgin situation it would make a huge difference. Thoughts? Or primo alone at 200-300mg? It would have to give an advantage?
I'll just say this one last thing cause I forgot. I try not to speak on something that I know nothing about. So I witnessed a high school friend of mine train, he was an athlete who competed in a sport at a high level. I kid you not, he had 2 prior test only cycles under his belt. Last cycle was almost a year ago prior to his third cycle of test and primo. Lol dude kept a training diary but I already knew he wasn't lying. Long story short with this third cycle, on less than 500mg of test and less than 500mg primo I'd be lying if I said that I didn't see him get results. He was on point. Genetics
I did very well with test and deca. I can’t go over 300mg of Tren a week. It’s all genetics everyone’s different. I feel It takes years to find out what works best for individuals. “Years” I mean safely cycling for years. It’s surprising what different compounds will do for people.
RustyhookerI like npp over deca. Test npp mast was fun
+1 Exactly. That's the best comment. Why do we generalize everything lol! Why? Like you said it's genetics. Some folks just can't understand that for whatever reason. Yes different compounds will work differently for different people. You have to figure out what works for you absolutely..Great comment man..great
May be debatable to some. So what do you think?
It’s very very hard for me to say as I’ve never ran it. My thinking and education would tell me that for an athlete in already top condition, it has to offer benefits on some level. But what looks good on paper isn’t always real life. There’s tolerance, receptors, metabolism, quite a few functions at play. Do some people need 10mg of an opiate for pain where some can take 2.5mg of the same medication and feel floored? Definitely. Same with aspirin, etc. but real world scenarios, 200mg may plain and simple just not be worth the bang for the buck. I do well with drostanalone, so I’ll probably just grab a couple vials of that. I have a vial of enenthate, may get a hold of 2 or 3 vials of short ester.
And you're right, 200mg may not be worth it for you so I can completely understand. 200mg isn't worth it to alot of folks. Honestly man for it's ai affects I felt 200mg was enough, probably more than enough. It completely trashed my sex drive. Fucked it up man! I even told @thahulk2014 about that. My point was I just don't like to generalize. Our metabolism is different, I can go on and on. But hey some will disagree, I get it.
So to be clear you're asking about 200mg test/ 200mg primo? 200mg primo alone won't do much but I do think if combined with 200mg test an athlete with low bodyfat, good but not great genetics should see some results in my opinion. Degree of results, who knows. Especially if he's a virgin to juice. But of course he won't be Mr. Olympia. Yeah hard to believe that he wouldn't see anything from that combo. Just my opinion. Case in point some guys back in 70's with good genetics ran primo at 200- 400mg along with 200-300 test and saw decent results. Now they aren't average folk but point is they saw some results. For those average guys thinking that they could duplicate this, think again.
I'll say it again, 200mg of primo is a complete waste. 200mg of tren, sure, but not primo.
Gotcha, thanks.
Primo is really the only compound that comes to mind when more is better, up to a point obviously. So many people use primo as just a window dressing in a cycle thinking because they have a little bit in there it is going to turn them into an instagram model.
Lifted-presence92I notice this at lest a few times a month bro people always trying to find a reason to run primo extremely low and looking for someone to justify their reason.
Trust me Drex we all wish primo was more affordable gotta take a loan out to even think about touching rimos for a full cycle at a proper dose fml!
Spent nearly $2k on a primo cycle I ran for a prep a while back
Now see, this is why I value this forum. As long as one practices some humility, a person can get some very good advice from knowledgeable people. I’m not giving any handjobs here, but people pay coaches good money for this kind of information.
They're running it low cause its expensive. That's enough justification alone.
Lifted-presence92Dude like ones that have experience with primo it makes 0 sense… that’s like saying I wanna get High so I pop Tylenol instead of Vicodin!? You’re getting absolutely nothing out of primo running it at that low of a dose except for financial loss if you wanna use it as an ai go for mast or arimidex it’s much cheaper.
How much primo many legit primo cycles have you ran and what are your stats? Put up self shot.
Well it would help if they actually started with low body fat and good genetics. Personally primo isn't for me because I didn't like the feeling I felt on it, felt strange. I'll use it as a weak ai in smaller dosages if I need an ai. I've never used an official ai like arimidex or that other ai before.
Lifted-presence92Like weird neurologically? Could be the nitrogen retention man every time I get off igf I get stupid and my eyes get watery for like 3 days I think if I remember correctly it has something to do with your retina.
O yeah? Never heard that before. I just had zero sex drive, no appetite, no energy, no motivation to train etc. And it was name brand lab tested primo. I had no idea that primo would do me dirty lol. I wouldn't wish that feeling on my worst enemy. It lowered e2. I should of gotten bloods to confirm. Another member who competes as a bodybuilder told me the same thing happened to him. He hates primo and won't touch it. I think it has it's place though.
Lifted-presence92At that dose it dose essentially nothing bro like people say. Except to help as an ai and at the cost of legit primo there are far superior solutions that are much cheaper. Why spend 100+ on a vial of legit primo for an ai for a few weeks when you can can spend 30$ for pharma arimadex for a full cycle?
Just exchange it with mast if you’re looking for results similar to primo at a high dose don’t get me wrong nothing beats primo but mast is as close as you’ll get or dhb.
" Why spend $100 on a vial of primo for an ai"...Lol if I already have primo and it can be used as an ai there's no need for me to go out and buy an ai. Haven't before. When I got primo it wasn't intended to be used as an ai, but for me primo was an effective ai. I still have some. That's what I meant. Been in this game a hot minute so yeah I understand certain things but yeah good point. Just think you misunderstood or I wasn't clear.
I think you missed what I was saying man. I'm not looking to use primo as an anabolic. I didn't like the feeling, felt like trash. For me it works as an ai. Also ya gotta understand that genetics is the key when using primo, that's very misunderstood. Again not saying 200mg primo will do anything so I don't wanna gets folks hopes high.
This kinda sums up my original question, not looking to gain 5lbs of lean muscle, but 200mg added to a first time 200-300mg testosterone cycle, it absolutely has to add a slight edge right?
I mean Drexyl no one here knows your body but only you. I can't speak on your genetics neither can anyone here. So I can't say what it would do for you. However I can say what I saw with my own eyes and my buddy looked damn good. No Mr.Olympia or anything but he looked leaner and more athletic. He gained lean muscle clearly. Again Drexyl he has good athletic genes and no he didn't need 500 or 600mg lol, just being honest..By the way a src here told me he got good results using 500mg with ok genetics. Just saying.
This is a good thread, questions are being answered. Again, I’m far from a physician or research PhD, but I’m educated enough to have theories. I had terrible acne as a teen, but also was very muscular, I’ll take a pic of a pic, it won’t be great but you’ll get the idea of where I’m going with this. You’re 100% correct, in my opinion, when you say we’re all different. The dermatologist my mother took me to as a teen after oral antibiotics and topical treatments wanted to put me on hormones, this was without a blood test. It was blatantly obvious my testosterone was way out of whack. My doctor when I turned 40 put me through a battery of tests to see where I was, he knew my history of alcoholism. My total testosterone was just shy of 800. The genius that he is decided to put me on a benzodiazepine for the anxiety, and king story short I was around 300 just a few short years later after a couple tapers and withdrawal incidents. And for anyone that says 300 is still within range, it wasn’t for me. I felt horrible. Beyond horrible. TRT fixed me up. We’re all different, and in different situations, I just stay in my wheelhouse. I get tired of seeing 200mg isn’t TRT it’s a cycle. It’s not a cycle if 200mg is what it takes to keep you within range. With that being said, if my testosterone level was 50, and 25mg put me at 270ng/dl which is the usual lower limit for treatment, would I do that? Probably not. I felt like shit at 300. I was 800 at 40yo and an alcoholic at the time, before benzodiazepines wrecked me. Some of us just need higher levels to feel well.
Hey I'm no Doctor myself, not at all. What you just said about your test levels being high says alot, especially at 40 being an alcoholic. I've always had high levels myself. And as far as 200mg not being trt, I agree as long as 200mg puts someone in range, that's what matters. And to me 200mg isn't a full blown cycle at all. Not even close.
I will say my opinions only go towards the testosterone therapy, no anabolic drugs whatsoever. My wife works in property management, an inspector that she deals with frequently transitioned from female to male. I will keep names from this as it will will be too identifiable. So Jessica went to Jason, had muscle tissue and skin removed from her thigh and forearm for the doctors to construct a penis for her. Fascinating surgery actually, there’s sensation and he can orgasm. Moving on to logistics, he (formerly she) is on 200mg a week of testosterone, cypionate. He does not donate blood, no diet change, no change in lifestyle whatsoever. 200mg a week. I haven’t seen his bloodwork, but he’s a government employee so I’ll assume, and it’s a very safe assumption, that bloodwork is being done. 200mg of testosterone is perfectly ok. Unless you have an underlying condition. I’m making these statements as opinion, I am not a physician and accept no responsibility.
Lmao I'm still thinking bout the forearm- penis thing. It's 2023 so nothing surprises me nowadays. Yeah some will argue against 200mg but if all health markers are good then I can't see a problem. Lol that's a crazy story though man.
I dunno buddy - not something I've ever run so can't really comment on the effective dosage of it. It does look like its 600 mg/wk minimum though from all the comments I've ever seen guys give on it
Lifted-presence92Ahhh gotcha then I misunderstood completely my bad.
Very true it’s very mild but it shines at certain body fat% and for long cycles bc there are basically 0 sides associated with it if everything is don’t correctly with sups and bloodwork.
All good. I wasn't too clear myself.
Or become a Male prostitute for a few months of the year Lmao
I’ll admit that was my thought process. I’ll stick to test, npp, DHB for this go, I’ll pick up more masteron for the finish. Thanks again.
don't overcomplicate things, run 350 of test solo. It will be easy to handle and the dose is just right, not crazy high. I'd add another compound after you find your max tolerable dose of test alone.
I also have been using for 10 plus years and have run a ton of different compounds. Just haven't ran test only since my first cycle ever haha
depending on how long its been since your last cycle, another cycle either will or will not work, depending whether your receptors cleared and body fully recovered or not. Test + primo or only test doesn't make a difference. More compounds doesn't always mean better. After 10 years of cycling, you should know best what suits you.
Keep hearing how guys say how bad ais are for them. Will that dose really blow me up with a lot of water?
Brother we figured with your years of experience you would know a little bit more about these things. As far as an ai, I've never needed one but we all are different. If you are a high estro converter then you'll probably need an ai.
Only you can answer that. Look at your cycle history & experience and decide based on that. For me, I can run 500 mg weekly without an AI, but others need something at 200 mg. And test alone shouldn’t bloat you out that bad, I would think.