posted Sat, 03/17/2018 - 10:22
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Test no ester for pre-work out?
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Hey guys I've been getting some back and fourth answer from some of my friends In person weather to use test no ester as a pre-work out with or without an added pre-work out drink.. can I get some facts and opinions from people that have actually used this as a pre workout alone or other added pre-work out before a good hard workout. Also what's the best mg amount to run before workout .. I have 30 ml of 100 mg/ml on the way and want to get the best and most effective use out of it .. I'm going to be running sust 350 3×weekly along with it . Have ai on hand just in case . I hope I've covered everything forgive me if not don't want to irritate anyone with lack of info ..thanks
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FortySIXand250mg minimum for me is great! all depends on how much guiacol is in it.
So I did end up getting some the from a source that I wish I could call out and the first shot nothing really noticable off .5ml do the next week I upped it to 1 ml and as soon as I took the point out I got the worst head rush I had ever gotten like I just did a shit ton of whip it.. my lips went numb and my throat felt like it was closing up ....the smell is unbearable ... Is this normal ? Also later that day felt horrible and ran a fever of 102.7
RustyhookerThats called anaphalaxis. You could have died. Any juicer that doesnt keep benedry at hand is clearly not thinking.
FortySIXand2Wow never heard of this ...good call.
It literally scared me so bad and made me second guess if I was ever going to run any gear again let alone tne...and thanks bro I will always keep some bend on hand .
Yep thats Guaiacol for ya - tastes bad enough when the injection goes fine but HELL when it even goes near blood! Makes you feel ill for the next 2 hours after. I often run TNE and as much of a pain as it is in terms of clogging pins and pin sizes needed to shoot it - Water based suspension is still much more effective for lifting on. Its worth the extra effort...
Don't ever pin that brand again!!!!!!!!!
As said already the oil they are using for that particular product is fucking lethal
Google it
Done I don't ever wanna feel like that again . I'll try the aqua test I'm not afraid of a lil pain
Not all labs use that oil mate. It's a case of a bit if research on the product first.
If you are going to use water based test then get some bac water to add to each injection.
This will stop clogging in the pin and reduce pip
Buy quality and it should glide through a 25 gauge needle, I believe it's all to do with the size of the 'shards' of test. If it's a quality brand they'll have a very fine dust of suspension however if it's a less then quality brand it'll be lager shards and hence the pip and blocking. This is what I've read and also encountered however it may not be true as I've never read any proper science behind it.
Nah, I've had a 25ga pin plug up while using Wat"CENSORED"son Test Cyp that I got with a script at Wal"CENSORED"greens. Plug or not, there was no PIP from the vial.
I'm referring to water based test not an oil. Completely different I believe?
RustyhookerWatson plugged a 25? Something was wrong with the pin. Lol
I've had it happen from the same vial before.....one injection was smooth as silk the next clogged up and I ended up using a green pin to reinject
That's some dedication right there.
Now I inject with a 25guage I look at a 23blue like it's something I would take moby dick on with.
I have used either 22 1.5 or 23 1.5 since I can remember for all my compounds probably unnecessary but never takes but a min for the whole process
That's what causes scar tissue and pinning problems down the road. I draw with a 21 ga and pin with a 25 ga. There are some on here that use a 27 ga to pin is the oil is thin.
Oh trust me mate it will NEVER happen again lol.
That's when I started adding bad water to dilute it......works wonders mate and lessons the pip
Gonna try this next time I pin some suspension. I don't usually get pip from it since I've started using the brand I've been using but if it helps from clogging it's worth it. +2
That's guiacal. It's poison. I'd toss it. Aqua test otherwise known as test suspension imy favorite. Has some bite to it. Or test oil base if the source can make it without guiacal. I only know one brand that offers it without.
I use it occasionally as a pre-workout on days when I am physically dragging or before my heavy workout days involving large muscle groups (back, legs..). Important to note that this is ONLY when I am on cycle. It will shut down your HPTA just like any other AAS, so it is not to be put in the same category as over the counter, non-hormonal pre-workout products.
I don't understand why anyone needs a pwo period. I get so fucking amped just knowing I'm about to push some weight around lol. If anything just a big cup of coffee on the way to the gym
You aren't lifting Big enough weights then.
RustyhookerTotally! Probably a fat pussy like me. I dont use pwo and rep 390x16 decline press at 5-4. Im a vajina but ill be a cool dude some day.
You are what you eat pussy ;-)
RustyhookerHahaha....made my day! Haha
Haha that is my go to anytime someone calls me a pussy lol
Come lay 2000 sq ft of pavers with me n 90+ degree 80% humidity sun from 8am to 6pm and tell me u dont need a preworkout now and then.. lol. Not trying to be a dick but some of us have very strenous physically demanding jobs that for most people exhaust them complety. My boss and coworkers think im nuts because i train after work 3 to 4 times a week on cycle... im tryim to get my boss and the whole crew on the juice just so we can smash the jobs out in record time!! Lmao
A bunch of juiced up bricklayers gettin it done!
I had this job in TX for 3 summers. I've since become an amateur champion in MMA (natty, long before now) and earned an Engineering degree. That job....is the hardest fuckin' thing I've ever done. It's like 110 by lunch here
I'm an electrician and work a minimum of 12 hours a day laying underground pipes running up and down stairs and ladders all day you're not the only one with a job guy
Mate my working day is basicly a 6-8 hour cardio session.
Sometimes coffe just don't cut it ;)
Yeah I get it. I'm an electrician in the city work 12 hours minimum a day up and down stairs and ladders
I workout at night and I use a low stim per-workout. It works great for me. I’m also old, so I need a boost here and there.
I get really bad anxiety from pre workouts and even to much coffee. They make me feel absolutely horrible.
Test base or suspension gives me that extra boost when needed with no anxiety sides.
I do only use 1ml if I feel I really need a boost..... maybe once a month if not even longer.
What do you use buddy ? I'll have a read up on it
It’s from a small company called Metcon, called Start. Caffeine is from green tea and uses natural ingredients. The caffeine levels are low. I don’t do well with stimulants either, but this works well. Never feel gittery or the like.
I’ve tried TNE years ago, but it messes too much with my estro levels too much. It does have its place, but I just lift to keep in shape and look good (trt guy).
I checked out your pre workout buddy. It's on amazon but can't get it sent to the uk
I’m sure there’s probably something similar over there. I really like this stuff, but I’m always on the lookout for something better to mix things up with.
Grate minds think alike my good man!!
I've got the ingredients down and looking for similar products over here.......waaaaay to many to go through lol
I'll check this out
Cool thanks mate I'll take a look and see if I can get some.
Definatley worth a try.
Cheers mate
I personally use them "as needed" (tired, after a long day etc). I do think that it is possible to develop a psychological dependence though. I used to take one before every workout and would always "feel" like I was dragging if I didn't. 100% mental.
I like to slam some black coffee before the gym but it also makes me shit so it's a double edged sword lol.
Never tried any cause my energy is high
I always wondered how pumping another 350mg of test no ester would effect hormone levels of the Enanthate ester @750
I always felt that TNE was a pain in the ass for pre-workout purposes. IMO it’s just a waste of a site for that week. Don’t sacrifice your delt or left cheek for a damn ml of tne!! Save pre-kicks for orals!
You definately shouldn't need TNE on top of 1g Test for added motivation. I can half understand it when there are other anabolics being run in the cycle that carry a lot of lethargy with them and you are gunning for PR's in big CNS taxing lifts such as Deads or squats after a lot of initial peaking but in this case No.
RustyhookerSo....the sust will be lowered to 700mg a week? Whats your pinning schedule? Current stats, goals? Priors?
Mon and Thurs 208 I don't want to get massive I verified been in and out for around 9 years ..I've tried serveral veriations of cycles .. tren used to be my favorite but now it's just not worth the sides to me ..I've kinda steered away from orals as it spikes my blood pressure really bad.. so for now I'm just going to stay with just test .. I was thinking g at first to run it pretty high but from the advice I'm getting seems that was a bad idea . I've always had great results with the high mg but I suppose it's just doing more harm than good .. I seem not to put on much more weight while on sust I work at a gym so I'm literally there all the time and would like to just stay about this size but get very solid . Everyday is still a learning process I'm discovering with aas .
RustyhookerI seem not to put on much more weight while on sust I work at a gym so I'm literally there all the time and would like to just stay about this size but get very solid
Thats your diet and gym problems. Not the sustanon.
If youre not running bloods and dont know e2 levels and proper ai as well.
Dominick77I personally prefer to pin sust EOD, the REAL sust makeup, which consists of 4 types of various test esters. Some might argue that the long ester makes it ok for less injections, but I find its much more stable at EOD as opposed to twice a week. Twice a week pinning with sust for me, equals a hell of a roller coaster ride. To each his own though, if I were to pick a test compound that I was gonna pin twice a week, I'd personally go with Cyp or Enan. Prop and Sust mixes, always EOD at the very least for me.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^^this! I like ed but eod still is simple and keeps it level.