posted Tue, 02/26/2013 - 18:14
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It seems like all the beginners always want to try deca, which isn't always the smartest move in my opinion.
In my experience, its not worth it. STAY AWAY. Shut down is incredible and theres a good chance it will make you look like an ogre. I can't run over 250mg without looking like the Michelin man and i have many, many friends would have the same problem.
My reccomendation would be to pick a more mild compound with less shut down. Read up on deca, there have been cases where people don't ever recover from deca cycles.
I'm on trt so this doesn't exactly apply but you all you cycler's out there, could save your boys some agony.
Once again this doesn't apply everyone, as there are MANY deca fans as well.
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There is such a love hate relationship throughout eroids with Deca. We all react different to different compounds, which means obviously some people will have had a negative experience with it.
Shit I fucking love my Deca!
but hey that's just me
Everyone reacts different to different compounds. I don't gain spit from test but most people do. I'm starting my third cycle in the spring and I'm gonna run test and npp and see what happens. I have never heard anything bad about npp and it kicks in fast and clears the system fast and no bloat. I actually read a few logs of npp and it helped lean people out. Npp is deca but not the long ester and that's why deca is hard to recover from. It takes forever to clear your system. There is a chart somewhere that shows that one shot of deca takes around month to clear.
cornfedjthI hear ya o the test i havent really seen as good as gains with it as with deca by far my favorite really helps my joints cause i move some heavy weight,deca just seems to give me a overall sense of well being i feel great on it i dont get that with test.
Muscleg33kThat's why I chose EQ over DECA for my cycle.
UFOJust cause you react one way to a compound doesnt mean the majority will. Deca is my shit. It IS one of the best compound out there for bulking and is pretty mild in terms of side effects if run at avg doses. Its actually a great beginner compound. I get no bloat and no deca dick off it. Even tho I dont recommend it, I did run it in my first cycle years back. Been in love ever since. So dont make this compound look like a poor choice for everyone because you dont like it. If you follow the right protocols with it(caber,prami,AI) you can see great results, as I always have.
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i love deca. I dont get bloat or deca dick. what i run deca at depends on what i run my test at. the gains are amazing the strength is godly and ive run it 3 times and never had serious shut down or felt any worse than when i just ran test. hell the worse i ever felt is when i ran sustanon 250 @ 500mg wk for 12 weeks. that was my first cycle 16 yrs ago with no PCT no Ai. so i guess you can imagine why i felt so shitty.
Just 1 single shot of 100mg of Deca will shut you down for an entire month. That is suppressive in my book.
its a long ester. it is supposed to do that, its how it works so well. plan your cycle and pct according to this fact and it is a great steroid with very few sides
cornfedjthive ran it and love it but my primary goal is strength which deca is great for didnt really get much bloat off it probably never felt as good on aas as i did in deca maybe its just me idk i never have deca dick or any negative sides and i didnt run test with it.
i don't think i'll ever run deca, just not what i'm looking for: bloated, puffy, water balloon, deca-dick, mass monster, meh.
good. more for me
Good post, deca can give you some serious grief in recovery. Too many try it too early in their cycle experience.
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Thanks brother! I agree 100%.
breakingfaceIve been running cycles for 10 years. Ive tried pretty much everything, except deca. My instinct have always told me to stay clear of it.
Good instinct my friend. Ten years is some time on the job!
breakingfaceAlways do a risk/reward analysis. 19nors have a laundry list of risk... and only tren is worth it imo.
just from experience, i hve no idea what the "hard" shutdown is about. deca doesn't seem to shut me down any more or less than test alone. a proper cycle WITH test, hcg and prolactin control during, and a proper pct and i have never had any problems. i always see these really young guys that want to run deca ALONE and have no idea what prolactin is and no idea how to properly use hcg. i can see that really messing you up. i would never reccomend deca in a first cycle, but i think its a great and pretty safe steroid.
I agree with the young guys and deca alone, I dont understand that nonsense. Im reasonably sure alot of shut down from deca comes from the prolactin build up so keeping that in check would help. I'd say your one of the luck fellows my friend.
i have seen so many guys on other forums, some as young as 18 dead set on running a solo deca cycle. regardless of what everyone tells them. they have no clue what prolactin is, let alone why or how to control it. from what i have read any long term side effects from deca are caused from prolactin. its frustrating when they don't listen, but its their bodies and they are going to do it. did you run caber and hcg or anything with your deca experience?
The thing about running deca only is there won't be prolactin problems because there is no estrogen to convert to prolactin.
Prolactin from deca only forms from the high estrogen levels testosterone puts off. Deca only is still a stupid cycle, but prolactin is not the issue in that sort of cycle.'
As for shutdown, I highly disagree because deca is one of the most supressive steroids out there and it has been proven scientifically multiple times.
if that were true, then why not just run some adex and forget about the caber? estro can increase prolactin production but you don't need it to produce enough prolactin to experience sides
I've read a lot of studies on this as well but hey if his labs say he recovered well then I suppose he did.
I have run caber, prami gave me bad nausea. I just bloat so bad from it, i literally look like a troll. Honestly, It doesn't do much extra for me anyways besides help my joints. 250mg for join pain a week and im g2g.
Hmmm that's crazy. Its hard with all the choices out here to decide what to run. VERY hard