Post Tren sufferer
Long story short I was a complete idiot and for a first cycle did tren, test, dbol, and anavar. i did use an ai serm but still screwed myself over.
4 years down the line im still suffering with ED, and lack of motivation/Emotion as well as a much slower growth rate of pubic hair except for beard hair. Yes the testes did shrink but they have come back to about 65% of what they were.
I ofc went to get bloods done and everything showed well, i then went to see a private doc and he stuck me on clomiphene 25mg eod despite my bloods showing well.
i came off of the clomiphene for a while to see if that would help but then my testosterone levels plummeted to 14 nmol/L. I am now back on clomipehen and once again my bloods show well and to those who are interested i will list my latest ones (within a couple months ago) below; the measurements may seem alien to you guys because these are the ones they use in the UK.
Testosterone - 26.9 nmol/L
Prolactin - 280 mu/L
LH 7.6 iu/L
FSH 8.7 iu/L
Oestradiol 101 pmol/L
I also had past bloods such as serum t4, serum igf-1, dheas, and all these showed satisfactory.
On to the point of these post: I have read a few posts online that tren can affect the brain a great deal psychologically and desensitise the dopamine receptors. After reading this i found some posts on some guys that also took tren and had the same problem down the line (ED). They then used L-dopa and a prolactin killer which seemed to help them tremendously.
At the point i really dont see a light at the end of the tunnel for me so i am willing to try anything no matter what my blood results tell the doctors about me being ''normal''.
My question is do any of you guys know where i can purchase some Legit L-Dopa!!
thanks for your help, any other input is appreciated
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I am thinking it's all mental Bro. Like dudes that are rock hard for fat prostitutes but limp as a noodle for ravishing sands models. I would try meditation and speaking to a therapist who specializes in ed.
You are still a kid and I feel for you. I am almost 36. I have been cycling tren for almost 6 years and you must be mentally tough and in a good place in your life for this compound. Good luck.
imabeastI would agree with you, if i had morning wood atleast once since using tren, i didnt even have to think about getting hard to get hard before it! I can understand how its hard to understand the idea of a guy having 0 libido i would have been the same way when i was a horny **** before.
thanks for input though
imabeastOk so after listening to FormerAhole (lol) about trenbone acting in a similar way to finasteride in regards to the binding of androgen receptors I have found a "community" of others who have the exact same symptoms as me!
From the ED to the flatline emotional state of wellbeing. The condition is now recognised as "post finasteride syndrome" I take this is the name of the condition due to the volume of reported cases due to the use of finasteride over others like trenbolone.
It seems as thought The PFS foundation is actively researching and trying to highlight this problem to the media which is good. The problem is that there still isn't enough quality research out there to underline the causes of these side effects.
Anyway I will keep this post updated with anything new I try and post results.
Trenbolone binds very strongly to androgen receptors in a fashion similar to finasteride. It would seem a not insignificant minority of people have permanent, irreversible damage when exposed to such drugs. There is no clinical evidence for trenbolone as human trials have been minimal, but this increasingly is the accepted view as the cause of the post-finasteride syndrome often discussed on the internet.
It is possible this is psychological in origin, but you never hear these stories except about trenbolone. Talk to a psychiatrist, and see if you can get started on a run. Just make sure you don't take something like prozac, which can cause these very symptoms. L-dopa is ill advised, but a doctor should be willing to prescribe Ropinirole, which is a dopamine agonist commonly used to deal with sexual side effects of antidepressants.
I would prepare yourself for the possibility that it will take years to recover, if ever.
imabeastYeah i have already prepared for the worst as soon as one of the best endos in my country says that i should be functioning normally just because of my bloods, even though in the past 4 years i havnt functioned normally once relating to ED, despite nothing bad happening in my life to effect me psychologically.
Thanks for your advice, i appreciate all input so far and i guess im just hoping that someone comes along that has had this terrible thing happen to them as a result of using tren too and have found a fix for it!
Bro, Catalyst below is a senior executive in pharmaceutical research. As far as understanding how drugs work he is the man.
From his comment below, it doesn't seem he is convinced that L-Dopa is going to provide you what you need.
I would send him a friend request so that you can reach out to him in private mail here.
Listen to him, even if what he tells you is not what you want to hear. He has no motivation bro except to be totally honest with you.
imabeastI will definitely do that, even though it's been a while I havnt been going after any other compound at all. So other than the first cycle and the clomiphene therapy I'm clean.
Hopefully there are some other things I can try.
moojI've done many Tren cycles with some of them being lengthy ones, and although there's no doubt you think differently when you are on the stuff and perceive what people say and do MUCH differently - as soon as I come off my mind returns to normal pretty quick once its out of the system. If its only one cycle you have done of it I really can't see it having done any long term damage to receptors/brain chemistry etc.
Research sulbutamine
imabeastSulbutiamine seems very interesting and from what I've read has helped some tren users, the only problem is that it seems to be a quick fix where the tolerance is built up very quickly. Thanks for the insight though
List all the meds, drugs and supplements you take. Do you have a history with depression and/or anxiety. Your blood work is fine and there is no prolactin issue so I don't see how l-dopa will help other than stuff you up further.
imabeastAt the moment the only meds i take is the clomiphene 25mg every 2 days, i dont take any supplements right now. Im just fuelling off of real food.
I have no history with depression anxiety, my only thoughts now is that the tren has done something to my subconscious mind as apart from feeling less emotional than i did before i am completely healthy in my head and apparently my bloods.
Consider looking into a psychological issue my friend. Perhaps you've convinced yourself the tren has messed you up so bad that it has become your reality.
imabeastThanks for all the input and yes catalyst i agree with you but i was only 18 at the time and with so many people around me at the time doing gear acting like they had no problems just led me on. if i could go back and punch myself in the face i would!
I was already seeing an Endo and he is confused because all of them showed really healthy and normal so he is just telling me to stick to using clomiphene to keep my test levels up and therefore my well-being in a healthy state and to keep use viagra.
The goal is to find a source of L-dopa as ive already asked 3 docs and theyve said no just because they dont understand Tren sides and that my blood levels are normal.
anyway thanks for you guys input so far
Bro I'm just going to tell you now and save you some trouble! Whatever woman you are seeing to cause you to Have physc problems you need to just get rid of her! There problem solved!
Frankly I'm getting so tired of you kids knowing better and running great big stacks without having a clue, I'm tempted to say nothing more than "tough shit". You're a fool, time to learn a tough lesson.
That'll sort it, more drugs you don't understand. Endo is what you need.
Ofc=off the cuff???
Your doc has prescribed you clomiphene, so you asked him already and he said what? What did he tell you?
imabeastSorry no ofc- meaning of course. But yeah, when i went to my doc again recently he basically said if viagra is working for me then he doesn't want to go where he has no experience which makes sense. Its so hard to find a doc that has dealt of tren sides.
RustyhookerWhat's the range on your tests since you're posting U.K. bloods?
X2..I haven't cross reference yet...just reading now
His blood work is excellent using UK reference ranges. Good test levels, good LH/FSH, e2 perfect as is prolactin. No obvious endocrinological issues. Something else is going on. Psychological maybe? Edit: maybe worth looking at DHT levels although I doubt very much this is the problem given OP's test levels being what they are.
Rustyhooker+2 for the full input. Sounds like and end to check the unknowns. Mental is possible too. Come off of feeling superman to subhuman takes some getting used to
imabeastThanks for confirming blood work and yeah you're right I did look at dht in the past and this wasn't a problem either
So, prolactin is good. Okay. I converted the other ones. 775 on test seem ls good, too. Thanks, bro
Jesus Christ you used Tren as your first cycle, and had dbol and anavar... Two different orals..
Good read though thank you for sharing your experience
Don't you think this is STICKIE material?
Hopefully you're smarter than he is...
Helluva first cycle. Hopefully others learn from your mistake.
Probably needs to be a STICKIE...
bigmurphI believe that you going to the doctor was a great decision. I also think that if this doctor hasn't solved the problem you should go and get a second opinion.
I have also read that all nor19 steroids do effect your psyche.
There is a YouTube doctor that a member had posted about awhile back that was talking in the video about this exact topic. The patient had normal bloods but certain numbers especially prolactin were not where you need them to be normal so yeah I think you are on the right track but don't go and do this without a doctors supervision or you might mess your self up even more.
Damn brother you're only 21 that sucks this is why we preach no gear until 25 which really is minimal you should hold out as long as possible. Can't change the past I wish you the best in the future.
Spread your story to other young guys that are thinking of running a cycle.
I think i might have negative ya so I pos ya back...my bad
bigmurphThanks brother