NPP vs Tren
Hey guys!
So I've been researching what I want to do for my next cycle, I still have 8 weeks left on my current, I'm just researching/planning trying to decide what I want to use.
Current Stats:
25 YO
6'6"
260 lbs
14 % BF (ish...going to get a dexa scan in a couple weeks)
currently running:
500 mg Test E
625 mg EQ
.25 mg Adex E3D
I have run this same cycle in the past, as well as a few Test/Tren cycles (Tren Ace my first time with tren, then enanthate every time after...i did kickstart this cycle with Tren A)
So my next cycle will be a bulk, but I want to stay lean, so i'll be doing a cyclical bulk like Makwa recommends (I will be cutting to 8% before starting). My question is whether I want to use Tren or NPP. I know they are both 19 nor, and i will need to have Caber on hand for either, but I've never run nandrolone before.
I do well with Tren, sides aren't too bad, mostly just night sweats and insomnia and results have always been awesome, it's just really expensive when compared to nandrolone.
What have you guys experience been with the two? Will NPP deliver similar results to tren? Any advice is appreciated. Like I said, I'm still several months away, just curious. Also, because I know someone will say something, No, i won't be running these alone. I will be running Test E as base.
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You can bulk on Tren but it is a carbohydrate hog and sucks out your glycogen stores which have to be replaced for it to work properly. Nandrolone is a better option. I don't try to stay lean during a bulk ever. It is not optimal for me and they few times I have attempted it I definitely didn't pack on all the mass I could if I just did a wet bulk. I work too dang hard in the gym to worry about being ready for a photo shoot at any time all year long. LMAO. So, for me, I would use Deca and scrap the NPP idea completely. I'll gladly take on the water and the fat to get more pounds of muscle. I don't have a problem dieting afterwards.
Yea that's what everyone seems to go by, it's just really hard for me to cut BF, so I like to try to keep it down while bulking, I know I sacrifice some gains though. Give and take. Thanks for the input
LOL Try GH bro. You're troubles dropping BF will be over.
i have experience with both and for your goals... NPP all the way. tren is for cosmetics, not the best compound to choose for adding tissue imo. plus it brings with it alot more possible sides to counter that other drugs that are better for building mass dont posses. NPP over tren all day if the goal is to ADD new tissue. if you just want to look good and stay lean then use tren. you wont look as good on npp as when youre on tren but thats not your goal (too look good) its too "bulk" to add more mass that you can condition later on with drugs like tren. its all about goals. but youll be fuller, rounder on npp and nandrolone will increase protein synthesis so you can eat more and more of those nutrients will repair your muscles at an accelerated rate. tren inhibits protein breakdown, so save it for when you are leaning down with restricted calories, just my .02. no use to have to deal with the possible havoc tren can bring just to bulk, seems like alot of effort. nandrolone is easier to handle mentally, same as tren physically ime. but you will enjoy your bulk phase alot more with just test and npp. just my opinion
Wait a second.
Npp allowed to to build more tissue? As in muscle? I saw the word mass tossed it here.
Technically there's no way Npp can beat tren for lean muscle tissue. Maybe other factors helped u gain more lean tissue. Tren is harsh for sure and I feel much better and eat more while on npp.
And no, I'm not doubting you. I'm just curious because rounder and fuller doesn't equal muscle.
Imo anything that isn't harsh on you will allow you to build better.
But interesting experience. I switch from npp to tren hex often lately
Yes, you are right. "Full and round" comes from water and glycogen retention. Not pure tissue. That was just anecdotal in regards to cosmetics between the two. I DO still believe NPP is better for building tissue though because it increases protein synthesis better than trenbolone, afaik. Faster synthesis = faster nutrient turn over = faster recovery = quicker building of new tissue. Always my thought process.
And I do have to be careful because when I say building mass.. I don't mean blowing up with water and glycogen. I speak about building up muscle size. I.e more fat free mass on ones frame. Ime tren is much better suited for conditioning and cosmetics. Kinda like tren is the designer and nandrolone is the contractor. One makes you look good and makes everything look finished and pop, where the other just simply builds and does the grunt work. Just how I view their uses
Completely agree. Nandrolone builds far more mass than tren on myself with far less side effects as well. Save the tren for a cut, that's where it really shines. +1
Thanks Kap! This is the kind of input I was looking for. I've taken Tren and got good results, but like you said, mentally it's rough and it kills my appetite. I'll run NPP next go around.
no prob. if you want to grow more mass then you wont be disappointed. ...and youre lucky tren kills appetite. it works wonders if you can stay in a calorie deficit, but i get such bad craving from tren i can eat icecream by the gallon lol. ephedrine/caffiene is the only thing that helps suppress it. but dont run tren if you cant eat and are trying to bulk. NPP will treat you good
tren is way cheaper than npp if you wanna have 'similar' results. not sure what you are talking about.
lol NPP is less than half the cost of Tren for raww... noob
the keyword is similar results
If i wanna have similar results i have to use way more npp thus the cost is higher...
also if you brew your own steroids from raws good for you - i don't. and when i check my 2 sources i pay roughly the same for a vial of npp and tren. half the price my ass
similar results? if you think npp can yeild the same cosmetic changes that tren does (given diet is the same) youre not using real forms of the hormones. if youre too fat or dont eat correctly then sure both wont do much. maybe put on msucle... but if thats all your after, just use test then lol... the point of using npp and tren is to utilize their advantages, performance wise and cosmetically. and they are vastly different in that regard to test and each other.
no, im saying thats the value. sources pay the same bulk prices. and trenbolone is worth more than twice the value npp for material. so either your source is marking up NPP alot or have to mark down tren or something else fishy is going on. cus market value of materiel is market value...
I don't know what universe you live in, but NPP is half the price of Tren
bigurielI would say if you think tren is that expensive you need a new source.
I'm making it seem worse than it is I believe, the main point I'm trying to get input on is NPPs effectiveness vs Tren. Cost has very little to do with it, it's just one more reason I'm wanting to give NPP a try
I hope your not on TRT at age 30. God Bless!