posted Fri, 10/25/2019 - 23:04
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Nolva at cutting final stages?
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Hey
I just registered to the forum after been reading for a while. I started my first cutting cycle ( I did a bulking one previously) and in order to plan the last weeks of it I would like you to give me any help with this matter:
Since Nolvadex increases testosterone, would someone hoping to get very lean naturally benefit from using 20mg a day when in the final stages of their cut, not so much increase in test to retain mass but more to hold onto libido and overall sense of well being?
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I would go for Letro in the final stages. Nolva has also been known to reduce igf levels in some studies.
eddoI wouldn’t use nolva unless you really need it (such as PCT or itchy nips on cycle) one negative is it’s been proven to lower IGF1.
I believe the effects off the lowered IGF is pretty negligible while running anabolics but as you mention running it for a natural it could be detrimental.
Just to through in a positive I believe it does help lipids but there are much better ways to achieve this primarily with diet then natural supplements.
Also if your running nolva your no longer strictly natural in my opinion.
If you want to remain natural that’s great, I would primarily concentrate on diet and then through in some natural supps.
You need more descriptive info.
Stats?
What was the cycle and compounds aswell as duration?
Sorta sounds like your just asking about p.c.t which your dupposed to do anyway at the end of any cycle which of course would involve nolva.
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Generally the last bit of a cut letro is used to achieve that dry look! Nolvadex tho idk can’t say that’s used much if ever for that what u speak of.
PcushionNolva does increase test via inhibiting estrogens impact on the hpg but nolva also drastically increases SHBG levels...
Alphamale500You're on a roll with putting out excellent "real knowledge" bro! Keep up the awesome work P!
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PcushionMan I have had it with crap advice and thank you brother. I am also about to wage war on the caber bandwagon. I don’t even want to get started on that ridiculousness.
BigCactusUnless you want to look flatter than a pancake and want to feel more shitty than you already do during cutting I'd advice against it. If you want a slight boost in test try a good zinc supplement (I prefer now foods picolinate) and some ashwaganda.
There are better ways to raise Test!
Yes, ye, I know. I was not thinking that much in raise the test but more onto libido and the well being feeling nova gives. The raise in test in this case is a plus, but thit is not the core of my question. Thanks.
Anti estrogens like nolva are more used to drop estrogen as a means to drop water weight, which is fine if your about to step on stage, but not okay for prolonged periods due really low estrogen sides being really fucking bad
Pcushionsmart man
Incorrect. Nolva is a SERM and blocks estrogen from binding to receptors in the breast and causing gyno. What you are referring to are AIs like Armidex, Letrozole etc. Both are used to control estrogen, but only an AI will actually lower estrogen and cause you to shed water weight.
Exactly.
Nolva is a serm.
It binds at specific sites preventing estros from attaching.
When people use the nolva in contest prep it to prevent the gyno rebound from the heavy arimidex they are on.
PcushionMan we learn something new every day so in this case I am going to drop some knowledge on you. Nolva and torem both will shed water weight. Instead of explain I am going to give you the information and let you read for yourself. Then you can correct the next person.
This link explains how estrogen effect fluid retention in the human body.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2849969/
This link explains how estrogens work on the two different estrogen receptors in the body ERa and ERb. Serms are indeed selective and the presence or absence of ER expression is what will cause or solve estrogen issues not limited to just gyno and edema.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3389841/
You may have to read it a few times (I did at least) it’s pretty heavy reading. Also I stopped using an AI a while back. I decided to go old school with the serms. I get better gains and healthier lipid values.
Exactly why in prep we use nolva AND adex to dry out. You will feel like dog shit but you will be dry as a bone with the right water manipulation protocol.
If you’re cutting right there is nothing but misery and grumpiness. That’s just the way it is if you’re going to get down to low single digit body fat..
To lose fat you have to progressively eat fewer calories, for most people carbs get the removed proportionately the largest. Then the anabolics simply aid in preserving the muscle tissue from being used as energy by the body when cardio is performed to further deplete body fat.
Doing anything when the body has no, or very little food, for energy is not enjoyable.