posted Fri, 08/16/2013 - 11:29
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no gains on cycle!!!!
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I have a huge problem with my body if I eat enough I get fat if I eat strict diet I stay bit lean but dont gain anything!! I have no idea what to do! This cycle I was eating every 4 hours near 150 160 carbs 200g protien !! And I didnt gain a shit ! I did 5 month cycle tren enenthe test c + test e ! At 1000mg a week! I got vascular lil bit cut up lost some fat but I waight 189now I was 192! Body fat was 15~17% now its 14~15.I tried going 200 250 carbs a day but I started getting belly and fat around my back ! Any suggestions? ? M fed up
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Brother, steroids mediate growth due to a few things. You can train harder for prolonged periods of time and recover faster.
Then there is the nutrient partitioning effect. Anabolics increase nitrogen retention from protein. This equates to eating more high quality protein on cycle. 200 grams is not enough. Tren is one of the most potent drugs for nutrient partitioning. It's implanted into feed lot cattle going to slaughter, and they increase lean mass with barely any sustenance. Also as mentioned below, tren has an affinity for force feeding glycogen into muscle cells. You can generally get away with eating more carbs on tren.
Here's my suggestion, I don't think you were happy with your cycle because you didn't have the nutrition down. All the drugs in the world can't fix a poor diet. Learn your body, research the diet. Do you have poor insulin sensitivity? Meaning does it take your body a prolonged period of insulin exposure to lower blood glucose levels. Test yourself with a glucometer and lancet. I preach this constantly, people who are looking to change the look of their body need to know which energy source to pick, carbs or fats. A lot of people can't handle carbs well due to prolonged exposure to a typical American carb rich / sugar laden diet in our childhood years. That means lower carbs and higher fats. Then there are bastards who can get away with 500-600 grams of carbs a day and stay lean (I personally hate those people lol). Every body is different. The one constant though...PROTEIN. Raise it higher on cycle.
If you want change, you need to diet down. Get the bodyfat around 10%, then come back and hit a cycle once you have optimized your nutrition. Otherwise if your goal is to change the look of your body, you'll just be wasting cash on steroids until you nail which diet works for your body type.
russel12Yes bro I surely am an insulin sensitive ! But how exacatly u check? Like after eating? Or like what levels shold tell u what?
Sent you a friend request. I'll pm you the details in the morning.
ClassyChassis200g protein a day? That's not enough to maintain my right leg. You're close to 200 lbs. Try 600g a day protein on cycle. BOOM! Problem solved.
wtf.... i ate more then twice that before i ever used gear even
You can eat wayyy more carbs on tren it gets stored as glycogen and excess will just get wasted as heat energy so feel free to up carbs and you need Wayy more protein preferably from meat. That's why you aren't gaining. Don't worry about getting fat you will stay lean on tren and you can cut after if necessary but I wouldn't worry about eating clean while bulking
5month cycle??? You serious???
russel12Haha yup bro 5 months but it wsnt tren for 5 months I did tren for 3 months and after I switched to mast prop. !!
AnonRussel at 23 I wouldnt expect you to have an issue with fat, whether you are eating carbs or not . Now I dont know if by carbs you mean calzones, french fries and bagels, but even so If you are a naturally lean guy Im shocked that creates fat deposits around your middle and back.
Let me ask you, did you get blood work during your cycle ? Did you monitor your estrogen level ? Because the kind of weight gain you are talking about reminds me of a woman or a 40 year old, both of whom would have higher estro. So while you were on cycle was your estro 25-45 ? or was it 638 ?
russel12And I didnt monitor my estrogen coz I didnt get puffy nipples neither emotional up and down! So I didnt bother checking!!
AnonRussel, please go look at my most recent pic/lab test I posted. I have felt like crap, have not had a good workout in about a month and no puffy nipples !!!! You can not just use the nipple test . I'll bet you anything your gains were being hampered by something being out of whack in your body.
I dont mean to go against the grain here and diet is important, but at 23 your metabloism should be able to process just about anything you throw at it , within reason of course. I mean you didnt sit binging on a pint of ice cream every night did you ? I kind of doubt that , so yes some tweaks to your diet may be needed, but the first thing you need before that is some blood work.
russel12Hey man m not a naturally lean guy I always have fat around my back even when I didnt started taking steriods! I got fat loke 210 pounds when I was 16 so I cut dont later when I started working out but fat around my back never goes away ! It only goes away when m on diet ! And while juicing I wsnt getting fat so kept a strict diet and most of the time I go for complex carbs! But on diet I didnt get any muscle mass so after 3 months I slowley went to 200 carbs but I started getting fat again
RustyhookerSounds like you went too hard too long with many errors to boot. Its 100% food. 200g of protein every 4 hours???? You got food problems bro. You need to offcycle min 6mo and reset/reboot. Rework diet and smaller/shorter cycles. 5mo tren cycle is a loud scream that you got big problems.
Step back. Regroup. 6mo min off. Bloodwork?
X2^ also it's not just about how much your eating its how your eating it. I can consume 3,000cal in one meal (monster mass shake from on with red cap milk is 1600 cal with 2 Big Macs and large fry) but just because I consumed and consumed being the main word doesn't mean my body utilized all that. Your body can only utilize so much at a time. Also eating too much at once can cause your body to store what's not being used into fat.
russel12Haha not 200g protien every 4 hours its in one day mate!
Well then that's your problem. If you want to gain a little you should be eating 1.5xbody weight, you say your body weight was 192, that's 288 grams of protein. And that's the minimum, 2-3 grams per pound of body weight, the higher end while on cycle, to really gain. I'm the same tho, I don't eat enough. That really is the hardest part.
You're not eating enough. No amount of gear will change that. If you want to talk specifics, go through you diet etc you can PM me ok?
russel12Ya mate! Ill appriciate it! I sent u friend request!! +1
RustyhookerSDM is radd with food. Pick his brain and you'll grow
more protein should prolly be eating at least 300g id say. not gaining weight means your not eating enough. this is the hardest part for me too. also i try to get my carbs in early and cut them out later in the day. i find eating them late gives me that unwanted belly fat as well.
russel12So like relly low carbs at night? That should help right?
yeah. i try to pretty much cut them out after 6 or so. try it for a couple weeks