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My first Cycle. Would like some advise.

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Hello all, I signed up to this site after being told about it by a friend id like some advise.

Im wanting to start my first cycle and ill tell you what i know so far,

I was thinking this,

Test Prop 100 - 50mg a day for 8 weeks.
Tamoxifen 10mg a day for 8 weeks whilst on cycle and then 10-20mg a day for 6 weeks after the cycle.

Im 27 years old, have been training for 4 years so have a base to work with.

Im unsure of the exact amounts i should be taking and i have spoken with several people about it, i also plan on going to the doctors for a full check up/bloods before i start to make sure i cover all my bases.

I want to do this being fully aware of what i need to do.

Is there anything else I need to consider or can i improve my PCT from what it is currently?

substancepro's picture

Thanks for the info guys and i did join that newbie group.

mwagner630's picture

i agree attitude about it is great, but pinning ED for a first timer is not going to be fun. i would definitely go with a long ester on first cycle. i really didnt have down where i liked to pin and the places that hurt me the least till my 3rd cycle at best.

PowerLifter's picture

+1

Would be better Test E/C injecting 2x a week.

P's picture
  • Stats
    Age: 27
    Height:?
    Weight:?
    BF?

  • Cycle history...None,

  • Goals?

I've got a few pointers to make sure your cycle will run smoothly, but first i need you to fill in the above question marks.

substancepro's picture

Age: 27
Height:180cms 6ft
Weight: 96kgs
BF 15% - I plan on getting down to about 10-12% before i take my first injection. Im just getting everything ready now.

Cycle history...None,

Goals, I dont want to get HUGE, id like to have 7-8% BF with a decent amount of size. 95kgs with 7-8% BF

Nitti's picture

I agree with P, I like the attitude and realistic goals. You'll do well here

P's picture

Nice realistic goals you have there brother.

I will start off by sharing my opinions on your proposed cycle before i recommend one;
- For a first cycle, pinning ED or EOD is a big leap (since prop is a shorter estered variant of test e/c - thus the half life is also shorter) since you have never injected before. Thus my advice would be to start pinning a long estered compound like test e/c where you pin only 2 times a week as opposed to 3-7 with prop, depending on your pinning protocol. Now pinning 2 times a week will help you perfect your pinning technique while also helping you get used to site rotation and selection.
- Secondly, tamoxifen by itself is not an adequate PCT. Here's an extract from a valuable forum post - "Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens belonging to the same group of triphenylethylene compounds. They are structurally in the same family and specifically classified as selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) they act in two ways. One is by changing up the binding capacity of the receptor, then in others they can actually act as estrogen, activating the receptor. In men, both of these drugs act as anti-estrogens in their capacity to oppose the negative feedback of estrogens on the hypothalamus and stimulate the release of GnRH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone). LH output by the pituitary will be increased as a result, which in turn can increase the level of testosterone produced at the testes. That's a quick summary of why we use both Clomid and Nolvadex on a PCT. The dose has been wildly played with over the years and guys have figured out that a dose of 100/100/50/50 of clomid and 40/40/20/20 of Nolvadex has proven to work very well."
"Well, Aromatase Inhibitors come in 2 types. Type 1 and Type 2. First Type 1 AI's bind by a process called hydroxylation; this hydroxylation process produces an unbreakable covalent bond between the inhibitor and the enzyme protein. Now the enzyme is permanently blocked even after all of the inhibitor is removed and can only be resumed by new enzyme synthesis. Type 2 Inhibitors on the other hand function all the same in their ability to reduce the binding process of the enzyme and the receptor. Except once the drug is discontinued or the concentration of the drug is sparse enough it is possible for the enzyme to seperate itself from the Inhibitor and eventually will allow renewed competion between the Inhibitor and the Enzyme for the receptor site." PCT and Aromasin

Recommendations
- Head over to the groups section, join the beginners cycles group and have a look at the cycle options there.
- If you need step-by-step guides on pinning (with pictures) then click on my profile and look at my forum posts, there are many sites you can select from.

substancepro's picture

I joined that newbie group that you created.

Im going to make sure i follow everything i know to the letter. Do i need 500mg a week of Test E? would 300 be enough? .5ml twice a week?

daveman242's picture

Great advice!!

If you never pined,what makes you think you can pin ED? I've read here on eroids of some guys that have fainted while pinning the first time . end up quitting AAS before they even start

P's picture

Damn brother, you caught me off guard lol....this ones dedicated to you....

BOOM!!!

Neo-istheone's picture

nice reply P... +1